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Hermitage Golf Club

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  • #52
    left_hander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭left_hander


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120893667#Comment_120893667

    Thanks for that list Seve. I've pretty much narrowed it down to Hermitage, Lucan, Edmondstown, Rathfarnham and maybe a couple further afield like Beech Park and Castlewarden (whcih are still only 30 minutes away from here so not too bad).

    I'm not much of a drinker but I'd like somewhere where I could have a pint the odd time get home on public transport so Lucan and Hermitage fit this brief.

    I hope to play these in the coming months and see where things go from there.

    Thanks for everybody's help.



  • #53
    RoadRunner
    Registered Users Posts: 1,970 ✭✭✭RoadRunner


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120892943#Comment_120892943

    Don't forget to factor in the price of additional golf balls & mental health counselling if you plan to join the European 😍



  • #54
    Seve OB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,070 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120894300#Comment_120894300

    Hermitage far superior to Lucan



  • #55
    slave1
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Just an opinion, I prefer salt n vinegar versus cheese and onion



  • #56
    Seve OB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,070 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120899860#Comment_120899860

    You are wrong there also 🤣



  • #57
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,915 ✭✭✭Russman


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120899106#Comment_120899106

    Just a thought Op, I wouldn't necessarily be put off initially by being told somewhere is full. Purely by chance I've had about 4 people I think in the last two weeks who have told me they've just gotten in to, or are in the process of getting in to, some of the clubs mentioned as being full or with waiting lists and big joining fees. Usually its a variant of "...I know a few members" or "....my mate is on Committee" etc., but you never know. I sometimes wonder how many are actually full or are just being strict with their vetting.



  • #58
    left_hander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭left_hander


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120902380#Comment_120902380

    That is interesting and good to know. My big problem is my lack of knowledge of people in many clubs. Its a tough one to get in to most of the top golf clubs without knowing anybody. My ideal would be to get to know somebody in Edmondstown/Rathfarnham/Newlands/etc and see if they would propose me for membership but I don't know anyone! 🙂

    I did consider getting a GUI from some club down the country and just playing opens and seeing who I could get to know - the problem with that is that I'm working Monday-Friday so most open comps in these clubs don't work for me time wise.



  • #59
    Luckycharm
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120903167#Comment_120903167

    Another way to get into the bigger clubs is through Pavilion membership, some of the clubs give you a GUI, reduced rates on courses/comps etc. Also a cheaper way to see if you like the course/club. If you are young enough much easier to get in an Intermediate member, generally up to age of 32.



  • #60
    left_hander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭left_hander


    I wouldn't be bothered with pavillion membership. I get the idea Luckycharm, and have asked around and some clubs which would be on my radar charge up to 1k for it, with massively restricted playing rights (I get that there's slots on the time sheet but largely they don't suit me). If I was retired, I'd consider it!



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  • #61
    damemcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭damemcd


    Don't know if you're fixed up but I play in the Hermitage and if I can help pm .



  • #62
    jams100
    Registered Users Posts: 808 ✭✭✭jams100


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058305333/hermitage-golf-club

    Get sorted in the end OP? Pretty sure Lucan has / had availability for new members but there is an entrance fee, not sure what it is but is less than Hermitage anyway



  • #63
    left_hander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭left_hander


    Thanks for the help above folks, I didn't do anything in the end because since found out wife is pregnant. May wait another year unfortunately, or two possibly.



  • #64
    Seve OB
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121560952#Comment_121560952

    Did you catch the fella responsible yet?



  • #65
    left_hander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭left_hander


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121637146#Comment_121637146

    God help him when I do. Best laid out plans and all that.....



  • #66
    pinkdoubleeagle
    Registered Users Posts: 935 ✭✭✭pinkdoubleeagle


    Just some information if you do consider joining Hermitage

    Membership is open and the joining Fee is 9k. Subs are €1770 + bar tab and course levy so you are looking at close to 2,2k per annum

    You will need a proposer and 2 seconders.

    Mats are used on the fairways for the winter but you can place in the rough as an option if preferred

    If you need any more info, Let me know



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  • #67
    newindublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 215 ✭✭newindublin


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121652658#Comment_121652658

    @pinkdoubleeagle How does one get a proposer and 2 seconders? Is it meant to keep applications only to those who know members personally? I have only been a member where that might be on the application but it was waived or the office staff did an interview and said OK.



  • #68
    IrishOwl...
    Registered Users Posts: 281 ✭✭IrishOwl...


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121696822#Comment_121696822

    I've never understood this either. I moved to Dublin 5 years ago. I was living in Oz, met a Dub and when we moved home, we settled in Dublin. Pretty much every course in and around where I live required a proposer along with a few seconders. I’m originally from the country and none of my wife’s friends golf, so I’d absolutely no connection to any club.

    I was told by one club over the phone that if I joined as a Pavilion member for a few years, I should be eligible for full membership, depending on availability after maybe a year or 2. But then, my Pavilion membership got rejected as I’d no-one to ratify me from within the club! 🤷‍♀️

    I really don’t understand what the whole point of that process is. Like does it exist is any other sport?  



  • #69
    blackbox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭blackbox


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121743729#Comment_121743729

    Many clubs, especially the older ones, are members' clubs. I.e. they are actually owned by the members. Very different from GAA etc.

    If you become a member, you have equal rights to all the other members, so if you turn out to be an obnoxious git, it is very difficult to get you out.

    For this reason, members' clubs are very cautious about who they let in.



  • #70
    IrishOwl...
    Registered Users Posts: 281 ✭✭IrishOwl...


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121743813#Comment_121743813

    I’d love to know what that’s like in reality. Are you trying to tell me there’s no “obnoxious gits” in any of these private clubs? 



  • #71
    ec18
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121743858#Comment_121743858

    There probably is gits in all clubs, but having it to be recommended by people in good standing (I'm sure there's unspoken rules about recommendations) limits the risk of it happening



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  • #72
    IrishOwl...
    Registered Users Posts: 281 ✭✭IrishOwl...


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121743899#Comment_121743899

    I’m yet to be convinced by these processes. Having worked in the multinational corporate world for the past 20 years, we have these HR screening process to make sure every that comes through the door is assh**e free and fits within the culture!

    These types of characters always seem to creep through the smallest cracks. 

    Post edited by IrishOwl... on


  • #73
    left_hander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭left_hander


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121743729#Comment_121743729

    I hear you too on this one! I enquired about a few clubs and was basically told not to waste my time applying if I knew nobody. That to get in I would have needed to start playing open comps in the clubs in the hope of coming across enough members through that. And even then, they'd probably know others wanting to get in so it was pure pot-luck and frankly unlikely. Plus when working Mon-Fri and I wasn't using annual leave to play open golf competitions in some sort of long shot!

    I am having a similar battle in my head at the moment when I do try next year to join somewhere - do I want to be part of one of these clubs where you need to become a pavilion member and flute around a place for 2-3 years in the hope of eventually becoming a member? Not sure to be honest.

    Now I will say and give credit where it is due - when I was actively considering Hermitage for this year I was told on the phone that as I didn't have a proposer/seconder I could potentially go and meet one of the committee members and go from there, I can't remember who the lady on the phone said. Possibly captain/vice-captain, not sure. Obviously its out of the question at the moment but it did sound like a bit of a "normality test" rather than anything else. Which is fair and understandable - I get that somebody in the club would want to meet you and scope you out before they let you in. And it definitely didn't sound as off-putting as what I was told in some other clubs.

    I suppose, ultimately it is the old supply & demand situation. People are falling over themselves to get in to some golf clubs and they can set the rules accordingly. Not 100% sure I'd want to be part of such a culture though.



  • #74
    TrueDub
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,655 Mod ✭✭✭✭TrueDub


    I joined a club this time last year. I didn't know anyone in the club well enough to ask them to propose/second me, but the office said that it wouldn't be a problem and it wasn't. Everything sailed through and I've been a member since.

    There is a caveat about this - it's not a club owned by the members, so they're more focussed on new member recruitment that some others might be.



  • #75
    TrueDub
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,655 Mod ✭✭✭✭TrueDub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121743960#Comment_121743960

    If you're making sure everyone is asshole-free, it explains why so many of them are full of ****! 🤣



  • #76
    blackbox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭blackbox


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121743858#Comment_121743858

    Of course there are - all the more reason not to want more of them!



  • #77
    IrishOwl...
    Registered Users Posts: 281 ✭✭IrishOwl...


    Based on your description of the Hermitage, it seems that the standards set there should serve as the benchmark for similar situations.

    I was in that boat when I lived in Australia, I just had to agree to play (I think it was 3 rounds) with a member and it was seamless after that. It would have been near impossible for me to join a club out there otherwise, because whatever chance I have a know a cousin of a friend in some club in Dublin. I’ve next to no chance of that happening in another country entirely. 



  • #78
    IrishOwl...
    Registered Users Posts: 281 ✭✭IrishOwl...


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121744161#Comment_121744161

    Facts... 🤣🤣



  • #79
    Ottoman_1000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,791 ✭✭✭Ottoman_1000


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121696822#Comment_121696822

    Jasus, if I went to join a club and I was handed a form like that to fill out, I’d be gone like a shot.

    The world is already full to the brim of entitled t**ts, the last thing I’d want to do is spend my Saturday and Sunday mornings with them! 



  • #80
    left_hander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭left_hander


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121744195#Comment_121744195

    Yeah exactly and it sounded very fair and reasonable. But then, maybe when it came to the vote I wouldn't have a hope against somebody who was known to people in the club. But it didn't sound that way to be fair to the lady on the phone.

    Yeah, it would make sense that a member (or even a few members) had to vet you first before letting you in the gap. 3-4 rounds x 4 hours = 12-16 hours to decide if you are a knobhead or not! If you can't decide over that length of time, then you are not a good judge of character - I reckon I'd know before we reached the first green!



  • #81
    IrishOwl...
    Registered Users Posts: 281 ✭✭IrishOwl...


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121744443#Comment_121744443

    The majority of times, you would have an idea of those characters before you left the 1st tee box!



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  • #82
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 54,110 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I think some clubs that have the proposer / seconder concept will allow you to play a round with the captain / vice captain if you've nobody to sign the form. I guess it depends on how much demand there is.

    Member owned clubs also likely have the waiting period where your application for membership is posted on a noticeboard for all members to see and they have a period of time to raise an objection.



  • #83
    blue note
    Registered Users Posts: 4,591 ✭✭✭blue note


    I remember renting a room in my house. We showed it to something like 12 people and 11 wanted to take it. In the conversation with the other housemates on who to take we came up with such silly reasons to cross people off the list. The problem was that of the 11 who wanted it, 9 were perfectly normal, seemingly nice people. You need to decide who to say yes to somehow.


    Lots of golf clubs have the same problem, in particular members clubs in dublin. They're full, they'll never get through a waiting list, they have to decide somehow how to admit new members. The proposer / seconder thing - maybe it makes it more likely that new members will integrate into the club. Maybe being a pavillion member first does the same. The added cost of being a pavillion member, then a five day before getting full membership pretty much guarantees that they're going to get committed long term members. And if they're a club with the luxury of being able to charge entrance fees and make people pay for lesser memberships before getting full membership, then why not do it?


    It's great that golf is open to people now who can't afford / justify this process, but for some clubs it's not going anywhere.



  • #84
    left_hander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭left_hander


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121744978#Comment_121744978

    If he's moaning in the pro-shop, you've a long 4 hours ahead! 😁



  • #85
    IrishOwl...
    Registered Users Posts: 281 ✭✭IrishOwl...


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121745424#Comment_121745424

    I’ve been there. I remember waiting in line to check-in to play at an open competition once. The guy in front was causing blue murder because the practice range was closed (it clearly stated on their website and booking page that the range was closed for maintenance). Anyway, this guy refused to pay full rate because of this inconvenience. He eventually succumbed and forked out…

    Unfortunately, that meant I’d to spend 18 holes listening to his rant. About how he was going to call his own club captain and inform him of what just happened at this club in question, like WTF is that going to do to help his plight?  I didn’t ask him where he’s a member, I probably should have, to make sure I never ran into him again!  



  • #86
    left_hander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭left_hander


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121745673#Comment_121745673

    Oh dear. 18 holes of that, I'd have abandoned the ship after 9.

    His home club were wondering how we ever let this bell end in. I wonder if he had a proposer and seconder 😂😂

    We've all been there with people who you don't enjoy a round with but that sounds awful. It might be worth its own thread and could be a started post "What was the worst person you ever played a round with...."



  • #87
    IrishOwl...
    Registered Users Posts: 281 ✭✭IrishOwl...


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121745720#Comment_121745720

    Id imagine it would be a popular topic!

    I've actually been ok, a few quirky characters, that guy was by far the worst.

    Close 2nd was a time I was playing in another open and my playing partner accosted me as we were finishing on the 9th. He was accusing me of being a bandit! I was playing off 7 at the time and was like 4 over through 9! I'm not sure what he was expecting....

    He didnt bother join us for the back 9 then either. Like all you can do is laugh at a lad like that.



  • #88
    left_hander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭left_hander


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121745766#Comment_121745766

    Make a thread. If you play in open comps I bet you come across every sort. I think this topic deserves its own thread! Make it happen!!!



  • #89
    bmay529
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭bmay529


    There are as*****s in every club and not only golf clubs. Sometimes an as*****s for one person can be a best mate for another. In other cases they are the playing partner of last resort, if at all. We all tend to gravitate towards like minded soles and so in most cases can avoid those we may not like. In any club, out of hundreds of members, there will usually be some you might prefer to avoid. In a members club, no matter the selection process there can be regrets that some slip through the process purely designed to introduce long term members that will integrate within the club and ideally contribute.

    If you are interested in joining a club first find out if there are membership vacancies and then if there are ask if there is a process where someone who does not know any members can apply for membership. Very often if you dig deep enough you may well find an introduction through other sports or business contacts.



  • #90
    FazyLucker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 308 ✭✭FazyLucker


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121748183#Comment_121748183

    I agree. But its a problem unique to Dublin, in reality. And pretty much South Dublin because if you live north side and are willing to drive for 20 minutes, there are plenty of clubs ready to welcome you with open arms?

    Like, bar the few inside the M50 (Grange, Killiney, Elm Park, Castle, Edmondstown, etc?) and a few a bit further south (Dun Laoghaire, Old Conna, Newlands) is it really as hard to get in to courses as people make out? I think it is only an issue where demand outstrips supply and there is plenty of cash in the area to pony up a big joining fee.

    Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know.



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