BMW i5

New 5 tourer is definitely better looking than the saloon but BMW have cheapened out again, removing the separate opening rear window and motorised parcel shelf also.

This is the first 5 series I have not wanted to own and I have had two tourers and one saloon.

I'm very interested in seeing the pricing difference between the i5 & Phev/Diesel 5 Touring - I specced up the i5 eDrive40 to my current G31 spec and it was €120k+ - that's very spicy, cost to change into an i5 is going to be a massive jump from G31.

I'll reserve my opinion on the interior quality until I test drive one properly but I do think the removal of the rear split window is silly, it's such a great feature that I use daily.

No I saw another review and he mentioned it’s definitely gone and that BMW cited weight saving as the reason which is a bit rich when the car is already so heavy.

What’s the difference ? I thought in Ireland the base g60 was m sport

Looks like no m sport cosmetic styling. Not sure I like the 2 spoke steering wheel though. Phytonic blue looks to be free along with sun protection glass in it.

not sure if this is right but this is how I see it:

Sport = SE (very rare to see)

MSport/MSportPro - Different levels of MSport

M Series = Performance Engine & High Spec

They just need to cut the price, not many people want to spend €83k on a car and get a completely base spec

I agree they need to cut the price. The sport model though doesn’t seem to lack any equipment from the m sport, in fact with the privacy glass and metallic it actually has more. It has 19” alloys same as base m sport. The difference is in the styling from what I can see.

I’m guessing they’re bringing this in to lower the price point as when the new 5 arrived we were told msport was going to be the only version available in right hand drive.

I still have only seen two new model 5series on the roads here. I don’t believe they are selling.

They won't sell at 90k or even in the 80s, but maybe BMW are happy with high margin low volume. They're not even great looking and people that have seen and sat in them say the feel cheaper than 5 series of old.

You can get 2 id4 or 2 teslas for the price of an i5. 300bhp cars. And whether BMW like it or not, they are competitors now. People will jump ship into SUVs now no problem

I really think that's changing Joe. I'm talking i5 buyers only here, not 520i or 530e buyers just in case there's confusion. Can't see i5 buyers going to A6 diesel, I could see 520d buyers go A6 though of course in the absence of a diesel 5 series. Although that will only last a few years. Will be renamed A7 shortly actually.

Merc EQE hasn't sold at all here, it's not great looking and it's expensive. A6 Etron will likely be too expensive as well to be mainstream in a way the A6 almost is now.

I've lost brand loyalty to the big Germans, I bought an Etron because my father wanted rid of it and got it very cheap, well under what he would have got selling to a dealership type of price.

We've ex BMW fans going Tesla all over the place on forums anyway, BYD Seal now too we have an example of here. I can see big defections to many other brands.

The thing is, a 5 series has become such a common sight since the late 1990s here that it's no longer special enough to command such prices. There will be a few that always will stick with the brand but I can't see it being a common sight.

520d and 530e when they came out were in the 50k bracket not so long ago.

The sport selection changes the powertrain from 520i to e40 so it is now the i5 not 520i