Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

Business leaders?

So you think health services were ' better' then?

You have no clue.

I trained back then too and my last year as a student saw the first pickets for staffing etc in the history of the state.

The following years we saw the start of beds being put up on wards in treatment rooms etc. A&E used to be closed in those days when capacity was reached so yes overcrowding was limited but people ended up in Ambulances being sent to a hospital across the city or further for a trolley or a bed .

Many patients on trolleys. Situation disimproved in the 80s. Recession. Cutbacks. No jobs for a lot of people once qualified despite patient numbers going up. Many emigrated

Trolleywatch was set up to counter the Health Service's playing with trolley numbers and hiding beds.

Doctors coming to the house...Drs were paid per GMS patient, numbers were smaller but on the other hand doctors worked nights and weekends and even Christmas in most cases. Never saw their families until they had built up their practices and had junior docs doing the hours for them. And the mistreatment of young docs continued until GPs themsrves became unionised and locum services with predominantly foreign doctors were set up to take the pressure off.

Also the range of treatments available and diagnostics from your GP has vastly improved.

They can do so much more and manage patients without the need to have people admitted.

Patients admitted for less time in hospital now than befire. Shorter admissiin times means more patient turnover of sicker patients. Nursing is much more intensive and higher nurse patient ratios required

Whether you get what you need though depends on govvetnment allocation and management of funds locally.

Its like comparing night with day.

As if you will listen anyway..

Well, why does anyone adhere international law or commitments? Because the rules-based framework of international law and convention is the basis on which global collaboration and harmony are built and — like all things in life — it's give and take. We benefit from much of the world's resources, global trade, inward investment, as well as our own freedom to travel to, live in and enjoy other parts of the world. In return, we do our bit to shoulder the burdens too. We are far from the only country who has to shoulder the effort sometimes and, if we are honest here, we don't get it too bad at all. This is our first ever real experience of something like this and now the EU member States need to collaborate to make the new Asylum and Migration Pact work to try stem the flow of people into the EU who are depriving genuine refugees from resources and good will.

But hey, let's not let perspective prevent the interminable whinge fest on here.

That problem has been in the making for decades.

All the hospitals in the region were downgraded, Ennis, Nenagh, Barrington's closed, with resultant pressure on Limerick.

Not enough beds put into Limerick to compensate.

Completely ignoring demographic changes, increasing age of population, and numbers due to increased industry in the area.... Eh, voilá!

Crisis in Limerick has been foretold and predicted for the last 20 years.

But what happens when you try to double the population of Limerick with the current ongoing all year round Crisis,

Helen McEntee basically says the fact they are fingerprinted after they arrived counts as "vetting". Even though that fingerprint is not actually checked against any database at all, as revealed in the media last week. And even if it was, that EU database would tell us nothing about whether they were a criminal in their home country of Algeria, Pakistan, Somalia etc etc.

For all their talk about more "communication" on the issue, every time Varadkar, O Gorman and McEntee open their mouth they come out with misinformation designed to misrepresent what's going on!

I do listen. The person who raised this said that health services were better 40-50 years ago. You disagreed. I gave you my own experience as a member of the public, that from our point of view it was easier to access GP and hospital care, albeit the standard of treatments might have been less. You give an insiders view and prove the point by talking of cutbacks post 1980. And we increased the population substantially.

I think you'll find most of the public value access to the health system first & foremost, that's why there are big local protests at local hospital closures. Access was better 4-5 decades ago, you could have GP visits and a bed if needed.

What has disimproved from the public POV? Harder to access services now due to centralisation and the larger demands of these services due to population growth. They go together.

It would be literally impossible for the people of Europe to elect the European Commission. This assumes that it is some sort of central government or Politburo that "runs" Europe. It is nothing of the sort - it is effectively the EU's civil service and doesn't even make the key decisions around policy.

So McEntee had to admit this whole forced deportation kite flying is nonsense.

Wont happen until the end of the year and even if it does it will be in extreme cases.

It’s the lying that is driving people crazy! And they don’t seem to realise that you can’t spread misinformation yourself and be credible when you complain about people who you don’t agree with spreading misinformation.

If there was some honesty- if they’d acknowledge the level of immigration is too high, that we have flawed systems and said they would try to resolve the issues- there would be far more social solidarity around the issue.

Most people know things are not working, and there's no doubt most members of the Government know it too, but in the upper echelons of Ireland you don't admit to failure.

Also two years on from the invasion of Ukraine there seems to be no sign of a longer term plan. The refugees who arrived in the first few weeks are still here, still in accommodation designed for tourists, still very concentrated in certain areas. Surely for everyone's sake it's time to move on from the crisis phase, acknowledge these completely genuine people are not just here for the short term, develop some strategy for their long term accommodation and integration. Putting huge numbers of them into hotels in small places like Lisdoonvarna might be okay as a stop gap measure, but it obviously shouldn't be the last step taken.

A good intermediate step in all of this would be to get rid of the murky statuses like "leave to remain" and the right to work.

We're talking about people who have been refused asylum, and then refused asylum again on appeal, and still being allowed "leave to remain" and take up work! Baffling. How is this an allowed status at all - we have literally as a State said we don't believe their claim for asylum and they shouldn't be here yet in the next breath we say ok you can just stay and take up work...like wtf??? No wonder we are a complete laughing stock.

guess the logic is it stops us exceeding capacity by encouraging the government to reduce the flow and would be economic migrants to consider to go elsewhere as they are no longer welcome when we have no free houses

That interview would be hilarious if the subject under discussion wasn't so serious.

Brock didn't ask her one difficult question and she was still stuttering trying to think of answers.

She is more worried about her little hate speech bill rather than doing her job and making sure people who shouldn't be here are removed.

Listen I respect that everyone has an opinion but I might as well be talking to the wall here.

The twisting and turning of replying back without answering the question.

Why are people destroying their passports/ travel documents upon arrival from mostly safe countries - because the bogus claims for asylum/refugee is happening, anyone with commonsense can see that!

"I'm quite baffled by that?" "but you'll have to explain how" a very common theme within your replies, answer a question with many questions.

Disingenuous arguments about immigration are a huge scourge.

One of the issues is people with an agenda deliberately misunderstanding those who want to limit immigration.

Someone could say that there should be consequences for destroying one's passport on the way to Ireland or that immigration should be restricted to people with certain skills or filling certain jobs.. Entirely reasonable suggestions that are followed in many countries.

But the next thing someone wilfully misinterpreting what was said will come back with 'the whole health service would fall apart except for immigrants'.

The Government go to the edge of such arguments themselves, probably because there's little they can say to defend their handling of the issue since the pandemic ended.