Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

As far as I am concerned this area is now a "no go" if you are going by car. I was going to a match in Croke Park recently. Instead of going Howth Road to Fairview. I naively said to myself sure Clontarf way might be as good or better.

There was a "stop/go" system at Westwood no movement. Really backed up for ages, people doing u-turns because of it. I did the same myself. Went the East Wall way, but everyone else had the same idea. Barely made the match on time, even though there was a much smaller crowd than normal.

Also given the nature of the roadworks it is an extremely dangerous area for the elderly infirm or disabled, uneven paths, cones, dug up ground. A real "war zone" feel to it. Those with businesses in the area must be driven demented as well.

I hope all this building work will be worth it in the end and it, but at the moment the area is a disaster to travel through. They might as well ban cars altogether from that stretch of road given the congestion/roadworks it is pointless.

They cut down trees and people don't even notice. It's just something people latch on to as an excuse for zero improvement to the area.

Both can be true. Trees are absolutely important for the city but they are also used as stalking horse for people objecting to a project. Trees are cut down across the city all the time for various reasons but you generally only hear people complaining about it when they are objecting to a housing or transport project.

No, there’s a small compound there now for park staff. They never replaced the large changing room area that was there before the works.

I can't remember old changing rooms to be honest. But I didn't live in the area until after the port tunnel was built. As mentioned, didn't they build new changing areas?

I'm not sure of the legal standing of them but there are markings on the cycle lane which indicate the direction of travel. There may be additional signage also, either now or added later. Is there really ambiguity? Even if there is currently some ambiguity (possible due to lack of an outbound cycle lane), a few signs when the outbound cycle lane is open would remove that.

Why on earth would anyone cross the road at either Annesley Br or over the metal bridge if going from Fairview Park to Clontarf? There is provision for cyclists to cross from the Park to the other side of the road at Fairview Strand, Joey's and Malahide Road (in addition to at the Fairview/clontarf side of Annesley Br) as part of what is currently being built.

Of course it would be great to be able to cycle from anywhere to anywhere else without crossing a road but that isn't realistic. Two cycle lanes on the Park side would have caused more problems (in terms of objections, etc.), if not been outright impossible, due to encroaching on the Park and passing under the railway bridge arches. What I am saying is that two cycle lanes could be/have been created outbound between Annesley Bridge and Joey's by removing the second driving lane which isn't really necessary.

Different when it's roads

They've already put big concrete barriers up in parts to keep cars out, I can't see them putting those horrible bike and wheelchair blocker things up surely not

And DCCs solution is to femce off the pitches. Not, you know, actually punish the teenage wasters commiting the crime.

Does anyone know if the cycle path through the middle of Fairview park is still marked as a cyclelane? The main path with pedestrians on one side and cyclists the other. I'd probably still use that if it meant avoiding all those junctions (and lights) outbound.

I hope you are right.