Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

That is seriously disturbing

Here's more footage with the wound unblurred

"It's not our fault. It's Hamas' fault for putting him in with a family in a residential building"

Like the time they shot the three soldiers and an official spokesman said (I sh1t you not) as an excuse that "They were dressed like Palestinian civilians"

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You obviously don't understand the Irish at all if you think we are controlled by the Catholic Church still.

You are sounding like you eat up the propaganda like that US- Israeli basketball player who tarred us as antisemitic.

The wheels are definitely coming loose for Israel. If they are to recover any notion of a respectable democratic nation, they are going to have to change the current situation drastically. I think the Israelis know this - they have to boot Netanyahu and his warmongers firmly into touch.

If they don't, things can only get worse.

Haaretz:

Moody's Downgrades Israel's Credit Rating for First Time in Country's History, Outlook Lowered to 'Negative'

Moody's decision to not only lower Israel's credit rating, but to downgrade its credit outlook, has caught officials in Jerusalem by surprise. While it is still too early to determine the financial ramifications of the move, it represents a severe blow to Israel's international image.

it already has security in full.

it would have even greater security if it went back within it's actual borders.

israel's genocide of the palestinian people along with everything else it is guilty as charged on, has nothing to do with security, it's to do with greed, self entitlement and religious extremism.

"This time we're telling the truth!"

They need to add Trumpian "believe me" qualifiers on all of their official comms from now on!

I agree that the Govt. doesn't care. But with Biden's "over the top" comment and a Moody's downgrade, I'd imagine the War Cabinet realises the game is up unless they do something drastic.

Recent statements, news reports, investigations etc. are shining a light on Israeli trustworthiness. That will come into even more focus when Israel has to report back to the ICJ. There are already hints that SA may ask the ICJ to apply additional measures.

If they give the green light to go ahead with an offense on Rafah, I think that might be the last straw.

Whilst world power centres have given Israel a wide berth to continue, even they are realising world opinion is not on their side. Some are already acting. I believe more will follow.

Given the support the US provides, any wavering in that will, I think, rattle Netanyahu enough.

And that wavering of US support is already happening. Sanctioned settlers, restrictions on use of US supplied weapons, Moody's downgrade etc.

Hostage families are rightly becoming more hostile given the 100% promises and 0% action. The confirmed death if another loved one, likely by the IDF, and the lies around it are incensing them.

Already, 50%+ of Israelis are calling for elections. Protests are a common occurrence.

Rafah offensive and ICJ report will be crucial. If the first goes ahead and/or the second goes badly (additional measures) I think there will be a heave.

I agree with you mostly, but I'd like to think that many ordinary Israeli citizens are as horrified as the rest of the world. I know Israeli friends are disgusted with the actions of their government. Prior to Oct 7th they were protesting regularly at Netanyahu's proposed actions on the judiciary (which was rightly rejected).

I'd therefore separate the warmongers from "normal" people. The warmongers and lunatic right must be dealt with either internally or via the ICC. IDF soldiers guilty of crimes must be dealt with and be seen to be dealt with.

Ordinary Israeli citizens who know this is wrong should not pay the price for the nutters.

No more than the average Palestinian should pay the price for Hamas.

I think Israel is a hair's breadth from being a pariah. It may well become one. But if the nutters go and there is a determined effort to come to peace with Palestinians, it can be redeemed in the future.

That all said, it depends what happens next - if they do go all in on Rafah, I think it'll be game over and Israel will be remembered only for Genocide in the same way Germany is remembered for the Holocaust.

I wonder what it will take to get Israel kicked out of the Eurovision song contest? They should never have been included.

Another day, another preventable death of a child.

"Trapped in the vehicle and surrounded by her dead relatives, for three hours she pleaded with the Red Crescent to save her."