Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Gaza has been flattened. What war are you watching? With Joe Biden's support.

The double standards in the media over their coverage of this atrocity is stunning!

American media for you. CNN, New York Times - awful media.

I see that a pro-Palestine protester who held up a “Call Hamas for a ceasefire” sign in London today had his poster destroyed by other ‘peace activists’.

There should be more of the former and less of the latter behaviour.

i understand SF put out similar protesters from their gathering earlier this week. What I read indicated the protesters were Palestinians.

Why are anti Hamas signs not allowed/welcome at a pro Palestine march/rally?

Donald

Heh heh. You are now making a different argument.

Hamas won’t hold another election. Fact. You don’t want to acknowledge that because it doesn’t fit your narrative. Israel left Gaza in 2005, nearly 20 years ago.

Israel is doing a lot wrong and it’s right to point it out but why the reluctance to blame Hamas when it’s appropriate and correct, as in the very example YOU brought up and tried to blame Israel?

Fair enough. I will resign myself to the fact that you can't think for yourself and will be forever constrained to simply parroting zionist propaganda. I was initially surprised that you couldn't understand the simple point given the history on this island, but then I realised that that is par for the course.

BTW, a quote from your dear leader:

Article from an Israeli newspaper the day after the Hamas attack:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

That is true.

I'm watching the same war as you - and I get that the US has supplied, for years, weapons to Israel. Serious weapons like 2000lb bombs.

But given the memorandum issue Thursday, I believe they now realise they are in jeopardy of aiding and abetting genocide. I understand moves are underway to take complicit countries to the ICJ - US, UK and a few others.

No-one can turn the clock back but I do think the US is attempting to make amends where it can.

I avoid directly attributing policy to "Joe Biden" since it is the US Govt. that lay down the rules. Biden has some sway as President but not much. He's be trying to push through aid to Ukraine for months.

Making amends and pushing through aid?

Or

Trying to take the moral high ground AFTER supporting and providing the weapons to commit mass genocide, and pushing through weapons in Ukraine to further US interests while only Ukrainians are slaughtered.

Why dress it up?

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Even though I 100% support Israel's right to defend itself it is quite clear that Israel have been idiots throughout this recent chapter of this conflict it's also been quite clear that there is a percentage of Israeli's who appear to have a degree of glee over what is happening which is quite scummy just as the glee over the October 7th attacks was quite scummy as well. I think Israel's response has been disproportionate just like the bombing of Dresden and the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs were disproportionate.

They have been played like a fiddle by Hamas and the arab world.Hamas do not care about the Palestinian people one bit and are using them essentially as human shields so they can push the Evil Israeli's idea and gain sympathy world wide for  the Palestinian issue and islamic issues in general.Israel have done exactly what Hamas hoped they would and have effectively in the eyes of a lot of the world turned Israel into the bad guys.

If they want to get rid of Hamas and solve this situation once and for all they need to kill them with kindness and have killed Hamas leaders , cut the head off the snake and then went in took over Gaza and improved the lives of the Palestinians to the point where they realise how much Hamas was holding them back.People generally only need religious fundamentalism when their lives are so bad they have nothing else to hope for in life, improve the lives of the Palestinians under Israeli control add you'd play a part in eradicating Hamas and islamic fundamentalism.

All Israel's actions have achieved is to radicalise another generation of young Palestinians and young arabs and muslims against Israel.

Important points; Hamas could end this conflict tomorrow, by surrendering. Their objective, however, isn't winning anything - just killing. They don't have any traditional 'war' objectives - if they did, you'd have expected them to sue for peace by now.

But, they'd rather sacrifice their fellow Gazans, they don't value Gazan lives. Remember they steal aid, too, as that brave Gazan grandmother said to Al Jazeera.

And they have tonnes of support, like Iran, and the Houthis.

Jack

A fair bit to agree with in this.

Fairly scary that according to the IT article, Israel had declared UNWRA HQ in Gaza clear only to be told by Palestinians to go back and dig down to find the infrastructure below ground. It could take a long time to root all such infrastructure out.