The new recycling system

From using it, all of two months ago

There are different deposits rates for reusable versus recyclable glass, plastic, and then cans and PET. reusable containers have to go back to somewhere that sells them

All very German and pointlessly petty

Yesterday I purchased 4 cans of beer from SuperValu. When I checked the receipt I saw each can had a 15c DRS Deposit added. But on the said cans, I don't see any DRS barcode! Am I missing something here?

bloody scam

yes, some items can still give back a deposit (due to a balls up with re-turn and international barcodes). Or the shop could be scamming.

Either way here is a link to a barcode checker, you can type the number on your barcode here to see if the item eligable to give you back a deposit https://re-turn.shanehastings.ie/ if your item shows up here then it means you can bring it back to most RVM's and get your deposit back.

It's stuff like the above, plus the story a few posts earlier of the woman with 90% of her cans/bottles rejected by the machine that will sink this scheme.

People are being charged incorrectly, the machines are rejecting returns incorrectly, and people are being expected to type barcode numbers into a website or argue with the retailer to sort it out. This is all before they are hit with higher bin charges by their supplier who wants to make up the lost revenue on their side too.

I'll say it again. It's ridiculous nonsense and time wasting at best. Thievery and a scam to fund yet another quango at worst.

Even allowing for the infamous "Irish twist" that botches everything we supposedly just copy from elsewhere, this is just a mess from start to finish.

How anyone can defend or attempt to explain away this is beyond me.

Not defending the scheme and not a fan of it but I don't think the early teething problems like this will sink it. It's here to stay unfortunately.

The only thing that would sink it would be if people stopped buying the products on a mass basis but that would never happen. As long as the producers and retailers are kept happy that's all that matters.

Wouldn't that be something. If people actually rejected an obvious scam for once in this country and boycotted every Re-Turn product.

Even if it did happen we'd end up paying for it somehow.

Just one of many bottles seen in st Annes park this morning. Would it still swimm there if you could claim a 15 Cent deposit? Don't think so. Should have been introduced ages ago..

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What is the name of the product and code on it that you were charged the deposit for?

It might not make a difference to the initial act of littering but I think the poster is suggesting that they or someone might have picked it up if it was worth 15 cents instead of just taking a picture of it.

Exactly my point. Yes, there will be still I*iots out that think a park is a kip, But someone else will get a small reward for cleaning after them.

There are pro's and con's to every system. To me, the difference it would have made if the bottle was worth 15 cents is that i would have dived in to retrieve the bottle in an instant, but for some other people in the world i'm assuming that the attention gained from posting such a picture is worth more to them than the 15 cents.

(and also i don't own a camera phone so taking a picture is'nt an option/luxury i have)

The pro's is a cleaner environment, and people like myself willing to make some attempt at retreaving the bottle.

The con's is the initial deposit charge itself, and also some possibility of people deliberate throwing away bottles with a deposit on them to cause intentional outrage, and then taking a picture of it and posting it after setting the stage, and staging the photo.

The reason i bring this up, is because in the early days of instagram people were staging photos and ruining the environment for the sake of online pictures. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LarUwtyUw-s i'm not saying that is the case here with this bottle return scheme situation, but it opens up a doorway of that potentionally happening is what im saying

Could the scheme not have started in one county, could the deposit not be applied to existing bar codes(nationwide) and not multipacks?

It could of course have been trialed, if something can’t be trialed or tested it shouldn’t be launched. I’d hazard a guess that it wasn’t trialed as it was decided it was happening and that was it - had their been a trial the population would have had a genuine chance to see it in action and let their feelings be known.

It’s a dumb idea, with an even dumber implementation. All it seems to have managed to do is drive prices up across the board and generally annoy the population of the country for no tangible gain except maybe to count some plastic bottles for the EU. That’s without including the obvious additional carbon footprint of going to the machines, the building of the machines, the power the machines use , the addition of a fleet of trucks, the thermal paper etc.

“you are supposed to bring your bottles back when you go on your normal shop”

Since the retailers can do what they want they have made that an absolute impossibility for many users. My example of Lidl not having a bin for rejections and someone else’s of a super valu having it in the locked post till exit zone - bizzare. The only retailer who I have observed making it any bit “convenient is Aldi” and they have obviously put masses of cash into making it so.

If that's the case, do the shops clearly know what they are doing?

This probably makes it even more important to report them?

What happens when you do report them on the website?

You won't be able to import them. That simple.