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  • Registered Users Posts: 211 ✭✭highpitcheric


    Poland looks likely to have received all its 500 himars and 300 chunmoos by 2027. Along with abrams and k2s, on some longer schedule. Hard to put all the dates together, but some of the dates aren't so far off.

    So good luck to Russia getting through all that. Hard to win an arms race with the whole ass kicking in Ukraine dragging ye down.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,801 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Some people still think Russia has unlimited tanks, planes, boats, artillery etc... Despite the fact they have been begging Iran and North Korea for drones & artillery and digging out ancient tanks from storage.

    That 500 Himars launchers Poland ordered is just ridiculous, Poland know they are re-loadable right? For the price they paid they could have developed their own?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,187 ✭✭✭ZeroThreat


    Nett contributor nations to the EU, including ourselves now, are indirectly funding Poland's lavish spendthrift defence budgets.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Money well spent when you have Putin trying to imitate Hitler.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Saw a picture on Reddit this evening of a mother and child reduced to a pile of ashes in a house in Kharkiv . Terrible stuff. What kind of inhumane b.a.stards carry out such atrocities and their enablers across the world may they all rot in hell. Honestly think the human race is f.ucked. To think that we are going to save the planet while at the same time members of our species are hell bent on annihilating each other.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,339 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Never again we were told.

    The EU and the US have **** the bed.

    Pathetic wimps.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,718 ✭✭✭seenitall


    :( I wish I hadn’t read that. For me it is the picture of a smiling baby with her mum that haunts me, from the first weeks of the war, and you knew the baby girl was loved by whoever took the photo (probably dad) by the way she was looking up at them, beaming. They were killed by artillery in an Odesa apartment block.




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    This war could have been decided long before the political situation deteriorated in the US. It was a massive blunder not to inject more urgency in to the situation before the landscape changed in Washington. It should have been foreseen as there were loud anti Ukraine voices in America from day one. And the long drawn out slow bleed of Russia strategy depends on US stability. History will not be kind to that strategy.

    Never again indeed. Mark twains words of history and rhyme come to mind. This period is definitely rhyming with the period of appeasement and phoney war of 1938-39. Perfectly rhyming. The blitzkrieg is coming , but not on the physical battlefield but through high speed fibre optic wires and cables to deliver the most bizarre of political outcomes across the allies of Ukraine.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 931 ✭✭✭wildefalcon


    On that point. How many physical telecoms cables connect the civilised world to Russia?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,306 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Proof that time is circular, Trump is trotting out all the Greatest Hits from 2016 in the absence of any new ideas; Christ in the absence of any new prejudices. His rhetoric has even sounded like he never even WAS President 4 years back.

    And in this case, at least he's now speaking the quiet part loud and the NATO 2% hobby horse mutated into patently pro russian toadyism.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    exactly, it is all in his head. can you imagine a single country's premier, asking him if he would protect them. the man is a nutcase.

    his supporters lap up the big man stunt though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Good, at least then if Putin succeeds in Ukraine, we will have at least one other militarily strong country able to stop him. Because again if he succeeds in Ukraine, that will only trigger him to more invasions. He has to be stopped, and the the sooner the better.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I presume that the option of manufacturing their own Himars was looked at, that would normally be the way things work., yet they went ahead and purchased off the shelf ones? Could urgency have been the cause? Manufactauring issues? Its very easy to say " we will make our own" but sometimes it's not that simple. These Himars are not quite the same as the multiple launchers you see mounted on trucks, are they? They're hi-precision computer-controlled weapons.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,140 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    define succeed? if they hold on to what they have taken already , that would be sold as success in Russia. You seem to be suggesting they would take 100% of Ukraine and would be sitting on the Polish border?

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Either way, if Putin is allowed to think that he is victorious, either by a partial or complete takeover of Ukraine, that will trigger more war in him. The Poles share a border with Russia, they don't need to go through Ukraine, and they themselves have said several years ago, that war between them and Russia is inevitable, it's only a matter of time, and that's what they are preparing for even now. They're not going to be caught unprepared, unlike Ukraine and that's for sure! No, I don't believe that Putin will win in Ukraine, even if Trump gets re-elected (and I doubt that will happen either, but with US politics, you just do not know) Europe is wide awake now to the threat that Putin poses and are ramping up weapon production and tightening the sanctions. I think that Putin will be stopped in Ukraine. The question is, which (if any) part?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,428 ✭✭✭macraignil


    If putin's troops stay in the parts of Ukraine they have moved into then they will be perpetually turned into fertiliser in big numbers by the armed forces of Ukraine. Almost a thousand extra killed yesterday as well as the continued equipment losses. It is multiple times the losses the USA suffered in Vietnam for a country with a smaller population and industrial base than the USA. The people of the russian federation must not be very bright if this can be sold to them as success. Ukraine is backed by the EU with a GDP more than ten times that of russia so even if the cowardly republican's in the USA renege on the support their country committed to Ukraine under the soviet nuclear weapons disposal treaty there is little hope for putin to outlast the enemies he has made and be allowed to declare victory without a full withdrawal from Ukraine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,140 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    you are smashing all the arguments together, the most likely outcome is either the borders stay the same as they are now or Russia take a couple more areas to the west, it would still leave Ukraine over 60%-80% intact. That does not put Poland "next" on the list and the only border that Russia shares with Poland is the exclave of Kaliningrad, that's not a feasible staging area, it would kind of tip off NATO

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,140 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    thats a different kind of argument but the conclusion would be the same, that hyping up "Poland next" is just for the rubes who watch cable tv

    As for your argument, GDP doesnt put boots on the ground and clearly not even arty shells in a cannon. Then you have those pesky voters to consider, hard to see it not become an election issue in European countries like Germany, support is dropping


    https://www.dw.com/en/war-inflation-flooding-germans-negative-outlook-on-2024/a-67900893

    "Germany's growing budget problems have left their mark: 41% of respondents across the country now consider Germany's financial support for Ukraine to be too extensive, compared to only 21% at the start of the war in early 2022."

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,306 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Just as a small point to mention in the direction of those glibly opining Ukraine give away 20% of its borders, throwing around this like it's just some abstracted number: by means of equivalence, this would be like Ireland being told to just give the entirety of Connacht to the invader. Easy to flippantly talk about what Ukraine should or shouldn't surrender when you don't need to factor in what that actually means in human terms.

    External factors notwithstanding, Ukraine are well within their rights to keep fighting for what's a significant portion of its country - not to mention losing the twenty would mean the remaining 80% was suddenly even CLOSER to Russian guns and artillery if Putin decides third times the charm.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,839 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Yeah, because Russia has always been super reliable when it comes to abiding by agreements they've made with other countries. The war won't end if Ukraine agrees to cede Donbass and Crimea, it would just pause for a couple of years. And then Russia would break whatever treaty they signed this time, and invade again.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,428 ✭✭✭macraignil


    "As for your argument, GDP doesn't put boots on the ground and clearly not even arty shells in a cannon."

    The EU had supplied over 223,000artillery shells to Ukraine already back in August last year.

    Production of artillery shells in the EU has increased since putin's attack on Ukraine and is on track to allow EU supplies to Ukraine meet the 1million shells per year target.

    As for boots on the ground there are millions of Ukrainians still in their country eager to avoid whatever treatment putin intends for them in his attempts to conquer new land for his empire. Lots of reports of EU arms manufacturers going into joint production agreements with Ukraine and every penny the EU puts into Ukraine to build up their capacity to defend themselves is money well spent in defusing putin's terrorist state's ability to wage war on its neighbours and further afield. The EU has woken up to the threat posed by putin's attempts to emulate the military dictators of history and the orange moron in the USA won't be able to help putin as much as he might like to.



  • Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭IdHidden


    Democracy is always slow to react. Free Europe has started to rearm after 30 years of no investment or priority. Ukraine has fought Russia to a stand still, so much so, that their desperate propaganda message now is stop supporting Ukraine because they know that is the only way they could win.

    But even without Western aid Ukraine can prevail. The Russians constantly over estimate their abilities and under estimate Ukrainian will to resist.

    Remember the Special Military Operation will be over in 3 days.



  • Registered Users Posts: 211 ✭✭highpitcheric


    President Trump on another mad one again today. Encouraging Russia to attack European countries. Hilarious, if batsht. As usual for US presidents.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,306 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Trump is many things, but like other Presidents, he is not. His rhetoric is more akin to a badly written mobster than anything. I'd challenge you to show any president who said anything as unhinged as what amounts to "fúck you I'd wave Russia on, now pay up". I'm barely paraphrasing - the worst thing one can do with Trump is ascribe normality to his words and actions as they're anything but.



  • Registered Users Posts: 211 ✭✭highpitcheric


    I didn't say that other US presidents have had Trumps particular strain of instability. But rather that its usual that they're batsht. This can be seen in sleepy Joe, fool me once Dubya, blowie Bill, sleepy Ronald, or helicopter nixon. The Americans sure do pick some doozies. I have abs from laughing at US presidents. They're nearly always mental.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,238 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    I couldn’t do another 4 years of Trump…. I would have to just cease watching the news/no more social media



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