Discovery to end with Season 5

I think a lot of the most ardent defenders now like it just because of the LGBTness of it all.

As I was saying earlier the fact they couldn't even settle on a style was a bad sign. Even the JJ movies that I don't even count when talking about Star Trek knew what they wanted to be.

I feel all Star Trek is like that now. I love LD and like SNW but my brain doesn't in any way connect them to the universe that the TOS movies and Bermantrek was in which would be "my" Star Trek.

Obviously LD references the old shows but I don't start watching TNG and thinking people sleep in corridors.

The corridors were funnier.

Definitely had bunks. We saw that with crewman Daniels (space time traveller dude)

I know I'm contributing to the problem but I'll Hate-Watch it.

Maybe HATE-Watch is bit harsh but "ReallyBoredAndFewUpWithTheLazerFocusOnTheDullestCharacterOnTheShow-Watch isn't as catchy.

I supported it as long as I could. I thought the first season was good up to The Mirror Universe. I DO hate that. I actually enjoyed the Klingons and yer man's acting as Klingon. Enjoyed the Enterprise crew on Season 2 (Let's not forget that Disco gave us SNW for which I AM grateful).

But I and so many others have stated here before, it's the hyper-focus on Burnham that is, for me, the real issue. She really is a Mary Sue. She is such the epitome of one that they should rename it (Ideally in a 3 min monologue while she walks in slow motion with sad eyes and smiling bravely against her loss while her crew smile and worship her as the camera swoops past them at awkward angles)

This is not a Race thing. Sisko was a fantastic character and DS9 is my favourite Trek.

This is not a gender thing. Heaven knows I have problems with neck-beards bemoaning the rise in "females" in Sci-Fi like some mom-basement dwelling Ferengi. They would hate Terminator or Alien/Aliens if made today.

No, it's down to the fact that her character can do no wrong. Every thing she has done has proven to be the correct course of action in the long run. No other characters have any agency or input unless it has at least some input from her. As a result, the remaining background artists (Previously known as crew members) have less and less to do and their writing becomes weaker and weaker:

Culver and Stamits started off as a realistic couple and it was interesting to see how two officers on the same ship handle their work and personal lives. Certainly a lot more interesting than Keiko and MYYYY-ELLLSSSSS. Then they basically descended into overbearing, intrusive, creepy obsessives simply because someone happened to be non-binary.

They basically got rid of Saru. How do you have one of the greatest prosthetic actors in the world on your show and then just get rid of them? Now, whenever he turns up it's to spout versions of "Well, I don't agree but you're the Captain"

Speaking of Captain, one of the only interesting things about Burnham was that she, briefly, initially, WASN'T a high-ranking officer. And was actually mistrusted. Let's get rid of that character trait.

So, I'll contribute to the problem by Hate-Watching. But, at least if I watch it I can update the threads and let people know if it does a 180 degrees (Not likely)

Out of all the stupid thing Discovery did, that turbolift thing was absolutely sh1te and completely unforgivable.

The thing you have to remember with saucer shape is they have HUGE amounts of floor space. NX-01 was not a small ship. Ent-D had 825,000 metres square of floor space, insanely big.

here is the full ship deck by deck layout, its really detailed

https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/enterprise-nx-01-deckplans.php

Nicely summed up :)

I myself am not a Hate Watcher. If I dislike a show I will typically stop watching and give my attention to something else. With Discovery I survived up until the end of Season 3 Hope Watching the show. Hoping that they'd nail down the format in Season 3, like previous Trek shows. Hoping that they'd give us interesting characters and concepts while developing the interesting stuff that had already been there. While hoping out of hope that they'd learn their lessons with Burnham and cease making her the singluar focus of everything on the show. But no, I ran out of hope. By the end of Season 3 I had started to view watching Discovery to be more of a chore than entertainment.

I was already kind of done long before Season 3 ended, but the ending itself and Burnhams promotion to Captain made it very clear that this show would not change course nor improve. The teaser trailer for Season 4 sealed the deal for me, I simply couldn't be arsed anymore.

I will not watch Season 5, because I know I won't be entertained by it. Nor am I going to really miss out on important Trek lore, because they don't know how to do that. I will hovever watch the finale. Partly to see if I guessed right, and can actually grasp the final episode without bothering with the Season itself (they don't know how to do arcs). But finally also to see what legacy (if any) they will attempt to stamp onto Trek going forward. My guess is they'll fail. They'll make it big and epic, and full inane speeches from Burnham, but it won't land.

Then we will be left to wonder, how will this show be remembered when it is gone...or will it be forgotten?

I gave up watching Discovery after season 3. I did try the first episode of Season 4 but as soon as I realised it was going to be all about Micheal again I gave up.

Don't know if I will even bother with season 5. Might just watch the last episode to see what a mess they make of it.

Imagine if this season actually turns out to be good but it's fate is already sealed.

Worst show? That's still TAS for me.

I'm guessing Burnham and Book are going to have a child and they will make Emissary Sisko look like John the Baptist.

The trailer is full on with all the things people who don't like Discovery hate. But turned up to 11.

That episode was kind of the beginning of the *very end* for me and this show. I remember watching the setup of that one where we get Cupler giving us the Cold-Opening to the episode proper with his Medical Log and spent a good chunk of the first act building up his relationship with Adria ahead of their arrival to Trill.

If this had been ANY OTHER Trek series (or frankly any other TV Drama), it would have been Cupler who accompanied Adria down to Trill to help out with a very personal (and I guess medical) challenge.

But no, the relationship dynamic comes to a crashing halt when Cupler suddenly recommends that Burnham should be the one who goes planet-side with Adria when they reach Trill. Why? Because she's Micheal F***ing Burnham, that's why! In this version of the Trek Universe the world only turns thanks to the sheer force of Burnham's awesomness. Never mind Cupler's attachment with Adria or obvious help as a Medical Officer. No! Send Micheal!

So by the time we got to the end of the Season, and she was Captain, it was all too clear. I would not enjoy this show anymore. ..and so I have not watched it since.

And, the worst thing is: The original Many Sue short story was written as a parody - As a critique of poor fan-fiction.

It was as if some minor exec was charged with coming up with a new Trek idea. They did a quick Google for Trek forums and saw a post pointing someone to the Mary Sue original on a Star Trek thread. That got a million likes as long-term fans thought it was funny and accurate. This exec saw all the likes, didn't look at the comments (Which would have been along the lines of "Oh man, this is SUCH a good parody of early FF"). Then thought "Hey, Trek fans REALLY like this Mary Sue character. We'll do that. Job done. Phew, that was a tough 30 mins".

Honestly, her character is SO similar that I'm almost 99% sure that's EXACTLY what happened.

It shows. The writers on Discovery have no business doing what they're doing.

I did not know that.

That... explains SO MUCH!!!