The Hobby Horses of Belief (and assorted hazards)

Pawwed Rig · 08-09-2023 8:01am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121076072#Comment_121076072

Whatever about the gospels but if you take the bible as a whole he is not wrong

Igotadose · 08-09-2023 8:06am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121083594#Comment_121083594

Anything can be concluded from false premises.

Peregrinus · 08-09-2023 9:03am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121083594#Comment_121083594

If you "take the bible as a whole" you can't just dismiss the gospels. Christian read the entire bible in the light of the gospels.

Hotblack Desiato · 08-09-2023 9:36am

Well that's the 'great' thing about the bible, it's got so much contradictory and/or plain mad stuff - you can find whatever you want in there for some emergency "appeal to authority" fallacious argument. A great example being how christians used the bible to argue for the abolition of slavery while other christians used the bible to argue against it.

Pawwed Rig · 08-09-2023 9:38am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121083733#Comment_121083733

I didn't dismiss the gospels but they are a bit softer than the rest of it. I would argue with your presumption that Christians read the entire bible. Most I have talked to in my life are clueless of the contents other than the best known stories.

Hotblack Desiato · 08-09-2023 9:38am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121083733#Comment_121083733

Olson specifically cited the gospels though and it's an interpretation a lot of catholics (and perhaps the current pope) would not share.

Hotblack Desiato · 08-09-2023 11:06am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120995891#Comment_120995891

No, the BAI rules on balance etc. apply to commercial broadcasters as well as RTE - and why wouldn't they? This isn't the US thankfully where right-wing sociopaths can broadcast whatever lies they like and call it 'news'.

So - some [m|b]illionaire using a commercial broadcaster for self-serving propaganda and promotion of a specific social/political agenda - Nope, not supposed to do that.

Some [m|b]illionaire using a religious broadcaster for self-serving propaganda and promotion of a specific social/political agenda - BAI say that's grand and we don't even have to know who is bankrolling this or whether they're based outside the state.

Hotblack Desiato · 08-09-2023 11:11am

WTF (apart from the obvious) is wrong with this guy?

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2023/09/01/the-flag-is-our-heart-anger-simmers-among-military-veterans-at-tricolour-funeral-ban/

A row has erupted between Defence Forces veterans and a Monaghan priest over the use of the Tricolour in funeral Masses of deceased military personnel.

It is the practice of Fr Leo Creelman, a curate based in Monaghan town, to refuse permission for the national flag to be draped over the coffin during church funerals for ex-Defence Forces members.

smacl · 08-09-2023 11:34am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121084309#Comment_121084309

Hmm, foreward on from 'BAI Code of Fairness, Objectivity & Impartiality in News and Current Affairs' suggests this is a recommended code of conduct rather than a legally binding set of rules.

The purpose of this document is to provide guidance on the BAI Code of Fairness, Objectivity and Impartiality in News and Current Affairs for both broadcasters and the public. The document should not be regarded as a complete or authoritative statement of law. These guidance notes are non-binding and are provided to assist broadcasters and the general public to interpret and apply the Code. The BAI accepts no responsibility or liability in respect of any guidance that may be given and reserves the right to revise and review any guidance provided. Broadcasters must make their own independent assessment after taking their own advice and making inquiries/research as appropriate. This document does not purport to explain all the relevant provisions of the Code or give an exhaustive list of possible applications.

Igotadose · 08-09-2023 12:14pm

Online Xtian 'influencer' who had a 2million subscriber Youtube channel where it shared parenting advice and a later podcast 'for moms' arrested for felony child abuse. Qu'elle surprise:

https://www.salon.com/2023/09/08/another-christian-influencer-arrested-for-child-abuse-why-conservatives-keep-falling-for-these-cons/

"In one 2018 episode, for example, Franke used a monologue to explain how “pain is meant to be a teacher” for children. “It’s not your nemesis. It’s your ally,” she said. “Pain is not bad. It is here to temper you and teach you and humble you and refine you and create wisdom in you." No pain, no gain, sonny! Down and give me 20!

robindch · 09-09-2023 10:26am

Enoch Burke is back... in jail:

https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2023/09/08/high-court-rules-that-enoch-burke-should-be-jailed-for-a-second-time-for-continuing-to-turn-up-at-school/

robindch · 09-09-2023 10:33am

WTF (apart from the obvious) is wrong with this guy?

I believe it's standard practice - my own grandfather was in the civil defence during WWII and at his funeral some fifteen years ago, the Irish flag was draped over his coffin until it reached the church door, where we coffin bearers were told to replace it with the Vatican yellow-and-white rag and somebody did. Unfortunately, I didn't have prior instructions from my grandad as to whether to create a scene or not in this case, so I chose not to, but I can say most assuredly that the temperature of the funeral was somewhere between absolute zero and the temperature of the center of the sun.

Peregrinus · 11-09-2023 2:36am

In the 70s and 80s, for reasons which older boardies will not need to be reminded of, a number of dioceses introduced rules which severely restricted or banned outright the involvement of political symbols in liturgies, and in particular in funerals.

Hotblack Desiato · 11-09-2023 4:44pm

A servant of the state (DF or Garda) having their service to the state marked is not political. Rah heads is something else entirely.

Hotblack Desiato · 04-10-2023 4:07am

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/euthanasia-is-consensual-killing-in-healthcare-dail-committee-on-assisted-dying-told/a332748125.html

Keeping the current law is the only “credible safeguard on offer against the normalisation of consensual killing in healthcare,” the Oireachtas committee on assisted dying was told today.

Dr Thomas Finegan, Assistant Professor at the Department of Theology and Religious Studies at Mary Immaculate College said...

Sigh.

Why does a degree in advanced godology get you a foot in the door when any and every social change is being discussed?

Odhinn · 04-10-2023 2:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121191848#Comment_121191848

There should be parity of esteem here. I've read Dune a rake of times, not to mention the sequels - wheres my seat at the table?

Igotadose · 04-10-2023 5:17pm

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markodaly · 10-10-2023 1:27pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egipqa0ZhUk

The first few minutes speak for itself.

ohnonotgmail · 12-10-2023 9:29am

All very odd

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cl59jzk3wgyo

Hotblack Desiato · 12-10-2023 10:37am

"You were only supposed to hold him down for five seconds"

robindch · 21-10-2023 12:00pm

A Czech parish priest flies into a pumpkin-fuelled rage, stomps on multiple pumpkins, twice, considers the wisdom of his actions, delivers apologies to local mayor, kids, wider community.

"[...] my duty as a figure of authority and a priest is to protect children and families from hidden evil [...]", he claimed in the face of evidence to the contrary.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67168388

oscarBravo · 21-10-2023 8:08pm

I'm guessing the kids' reaction ranged from melancholy to infinite sadness...

robindch · 10-11-2023 1:33pm

An Islamic windbag from Gaza projects regarding the women of paradise - no mucus, babies, poo, pee or periods - just what you need when you have the strength of "one hundred men"! No saliva either, so you'd wonder whether his own experiences have somewhat unsatisfying.

https://twitter.com/MEMRIReports/status/1273890658097467392

ohnonotgmail · 16-11-2023 3:30pm

Not sure really where this belongs, it fits just as well in the "Funny" thread

https://www.irishtimes.com/world/europe/2023/11/16/vatican-confirms-ban-on-catholics-becoming-freemasons/

Masonic lodges are normally male-only societies, associated with arcane symbols and rituals. They have also sometimes been linked to conspiracy theories alleging undue influence on world affairs.

Clearly they are not fans of competition.

Hotblack Desiato · 16-11-2023 4:47pm

Another Poe where the reality cannot be differentiated from satire.

ohnonotgmail · 16-11-2023 6:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121376226#Comment_121376226

it would certainly put you in mind of:

Dougal: “God Ted, I’ve heard about those cults. Everyone dressing in black and saying our Lord’s going to come back and judge us all.”

Ted: “No… no Dougal, that’s us. That’s Catholicism you’re talking about there.”

Igotadose · 21-11-2023 3:18pm

https://twitter.com/afshineemrani/status/1726217474620969289

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ohnonotgmail · 21-11-2023 5:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396210#Comment_121396210

For those who didnt click on the link this is really old news from 2017.

Hotblack Desiato · 22-11-2023 1:56am

It's not old news if nothing's changed.

Peregrinus · 22-11-2023 2:36am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121398764#Comment_121398764

That's pretty much the definition of old news.

ohnonotgmail · 22-11-2023 9:56am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121398764#Comment_121398764

The tweet presented it as new so I clarified it wasn't. Nothing more.

Igotadose · 22-11-2023 10:09am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121399062#Comment_121399062

Yeah, my bad. I don't have Twitter so I dug that out but missed the date. Good for the chessmaster though.

Hotblack Desiato · 22-11-2023 11:03am

Saudi Arabia is pumping money into all sorts of sportswashing projects. If there's another women's chess tournament there it'll be just the same as it was in 2017.

Hotblack Desiato · 11-12-2023 8:31pm

This story takes a bizarre turn

https://www.thejournal.ie/an-bord-pleanala-green-light-diageo-brewery-6246152-Dec2023/

AN BORD PLEANÁLA has given the green light to drinks giant Diageo to construct its planned €200 million brewery for Newbridge, Co Kildare.

Kildare County Council had granted planning permission for the project back in March but the brewery plan was stalled after a man at the centre of RTÉ Investigates allegations concerning payoffs to objectors in the planning system John Callaghan through his Sustainability 2050 entity appealed the decision while a separate appeal by a John Lynch from Athy, Co Kildare was also lodged with the appeals board.

In his appeal, Lynch of Cloney, Athy stated that the proposal for Littleconnell should be rejected and be built instead in Athy on environmental grounds.

In the opening sentence in his original objection lodged with the Council, Lynch stated that he wished on behalf of all the grandchildren of the world and all the babies in the womb of pregnant women to object in the strongest possible way to the proposed brewery at Littleconnell.

Peregrinus · 12-12-2023 2:27am

Wait, a concern about the welfare of future generations can now only be accounted for by religious beliefs?

Some very secular environmentalists would like a word.

Hotblack Desiato · 12-12-2023 10:57am

He's no environmentalist he just wants the brewery built in his town!

His wording, specifically all the babies in the womb of pregnant women is very reminiscent of some of the more unhinged screeds seen stuck to bus shelters in Dublin in 2018

robindch · 22-12-2023 12:26am

Lavinia Mennuni, a (sister) senator of Brothers of Italy coalition party proposes to fine school principals who don't allow "activities linked to traditional celebrations such as Christmas and Easter" to take place - presumably on school property, and possibly on school time.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67784060

Peregrinus · 22-12-2023 3:29am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121524665#Comment_121524665

Of course the nativity celebration take place on school property, and in school time. This isn't at all inconsistent with the Italian approach to secularism. Italians are not Americans — why should they be?

I'm as dismissive of the proposed law as you, but for a different reason. Is there, in fact, an epidemic of Italian schools supressing Christmas-related events? I'm very sceptical that that there's a "problem" here requiring to be "solved". I suspect it's just the Italian right trying to import culture war issues that have traction in other countries.

robindch · 22-12-2023 1:04pm

Is there, in fact, an epidemic of Italian schools supressing Christmas-related events?

Could well be either - schools may have been increasingly blocking overtly religious stuff (or failing to promote it, which could be seen as the same), or it may be a move on the part of a Brothers' sister to start a culture war - and I'm not familiar enough with Italy to know which. Certainly here in Ireland, ET schools have allowed religious stuff on school property, but outside of school time, while disallowing the promotion of religious activities through school-owned channels.

Or indeed, it could be both - some unfortunate principal failing to show expected level of interest in some christmas-themed event and some conservative culture warrior parent noticing a gold-plated opportunity to create problems.

Hotblack Desiato · 19-01-2024 12:02am

https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2024/01/18/man-charged-with-threatening-td-hildegarde-naughton-ordered-to-stay-away-from-homes-and-offices-of-galway-politicians/

A 47-year-old man who appeared in court charged with making a threat to kill or cause serious harm to the Government Chief Whip Hildegarde Naughton must stay away from the homes and offices of all Galway politicians.

The condition is one of a number of imposed on Daragh O’Flaherty at Galway District Court.

In court, Garda John Kerrigan gave evidence of arrest, charge and caution.

He said that in reply to the single charge, Mr O’Flaherty said: “There is a boy in a well. He is drowning in vaccine juice. The government keeps throwing people into the well. The media and corporations keep their foot on their head so the establishment can pretend there is no one in the well, and gardaí and the judiciary pretend the well does not exist. The national order must be restored.”

It's amazing how some people get bail in this country, the court even agreed to loosen the conditions the Gardai / DPP requested.

I hope nobody comes to regret this decision.

robindch · 20-01-2024 2:26pm

I hope nobody comes to regret this decision.

Had to explain this to a few out-of-towners, that following Ireland's colonial period where the police were viewed as the strong arm of a foreign power, the newly independent Irish government decided, perhaps without much debate (?), that the new country's new police force would be less peace-enforcers and more peace-makers - trying to get people to climb down off their high horses, rather than shoot them off. Since then, unfortunately, the corrosive effects over the last twenty years of social media, disinformation and mental illness have created a new class of organized nutcases for whom the old policies no longer work and the government and the police are somewhat at a loss as to what to do. I'm not sure if the new hate-speech legislation will help, but it may be a step in the right direction:

https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2023/12/05/qa-what-are-the-proposed-new-hate-crime-laws-and-why-the-delay/

Hotblack Desiato · 11-02-2024 1:19am

When my 13 year old son turned off his PlayStation the 'smart' TV went back to its home screen -

YouTube recommends - Tucker Carlson interviews Vladimir Putin

I mean, what in the actual fûck?????

Igotadose · 11-02-2024 11:01am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121752314#Comment_121752314

Probably something Uncle Vlad paid for on Youtube.

robindch · 11-02-2024 12:32pm

"Turkmenistan Conducting Virginity Tests To 'Evaluate Teenagers' Morality'"

No public explanation was offered by the government on why the gynecological tests are being carried out, but the Balkanabat-based worker suspects the tests are linked to a reported rise in teenage pregnancies in the province in recent months. Six such cases were recorded just in Balkanabat, he said. "This information reached the Education Ministry, which issued a severe reprimand to the head of the Balkan regional education department as a result. Right after that, [provincial authorities] started checks for ‘moral purity’ in big cities,” he said.

https://www.rferl.org/a/turkmenistan-virginity-tests-morality-security-services/32814240.html

robindch · 12-02-2024 7:43pm

Given how much asylum-seekers are demonized in the UK and its print media, it's hard to know what to make of this Times report into alleged abuse of the system by people who claim to be christian converts fleeing persecution:

https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1756986437650497959

Hotblack Desiato · 12-02-2024 8:48pm

2000 people annoyed that other people might have been enjoying themselves:

https://www.newstalk.com/news/petition-against-profane-silent-disco-in-canterbury-cathedral-gets-2000-signatures-1641663

ohnonotgmail · 12-02-2024 8:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121759592#Comment_121759592

"we would not want something like a disco with alcohol and profane lyrics to be played." Is he aware of the concept of a silent disco?

Hotblack Desiato · 13-02-2024 2:24am

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68277166

"God is in control" - well he's doing a pretty shít job then isn't he!

WTF does that preacher look so bizarrely happy?

Hotblack Desiato · 15-02-2024 12:17am

They appear to be getting more desperate.

Odhinn · 18-02-2024 10:38pm

This crock of shite appeared in my facebook feed

https://consciousconcert.ie/?fbclid=IwAR03Me9g9J8VCmfhk3aB3zVpNzTC7sT2U-hn3k3eRaAbvxpMWXI3mb-OK3M

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Jasmuheen is the author of 42 books that are published in 20 languages, of which seven of these are dedicated to this topic of alternate nutrition. “Pranic living is much more than a way to be at greater choice regarding how we can nourish our physical bodies, for it allows us to free ourselves from all human hungers including emotional and mental hungers as well"

The Hobby Horses of Belief (and assorted hazards)

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