Stopping a car theft leads to manslaughter conviction

I suppose it’s hard to know how you would react in that moment. Instinct would take over, not always the wise choice of options

I don't know why people leave their car running, but I don't judge the man at all for tying to stop the scumbags. The little **** get to do what they want precisely because people don't try to stop them, fair play to him for not being a coward.

I thought you meant the owner killed the scumbag not the other way around.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing and victim blaming is a disgusting thing.

Upon reading the link it gives a different picture of the one you painted in your post.

Mr. McDonnell parked his car in the forecourt outside his own business, he was entitled to feel it was a safe place.

His actions of trying to prevent his car from being stolen was obviously instinctive, I'm sure lots of people in the same circumstances would have reacted in the same way when seeing something they worked hard for being stolen from them in front of their eyes.

It's been that way for decades.

The Legislature has the power to write harsher sentencing guidelines that the Judiciary must follow

They also have the capability to sign off on building more prison capacity.

Neither has happened. Decades of this. Decades.

The electorate is apparently not fed up of it yet!

I saw a WhatsApp this week that made me think the same, navan I think

Dublin 15 I think it was, would be thief is meant to be in intensive care with amongst other things a fractured skull.

You are absolutely "victim blaming" in your opening post.

Disgusting carry on, and I just hope none of the deceased mans family or friends have the misfortune to read it.

The reality of the world as we have let it evolve is that there is an expectation that scumbags should be allowed to do as they please and its up to the police to try to bring them to "justice" later before the courts.

The odds of police coming across a crime as its happening are tiny even then a criminal who uses enough violence (or threat of same ) recklessness ( wrong way on the motorway etc) wil be allowed to get away as thats the policy imposed on police.

Standing around watching scum steal attack generally be allowed to continue their feral lives is the standard we have sunk to.

Protect yourself or expect to be seen as a easy consequence free victim to feed the hunger of the scum culture we have created.

little cnut still all about himself too

McCormick-Smith said they "set out" that day "to rob a car", and "didn’t set out to kill anyone".

"I might seem like a scumbag, but I have emotions," he said before he lied to the court about not seeing the man on the bonnet of his car

He was already in a stolen car that day with 27 previous and already banned from driving

what is the benefit to Ireland of ever leaving this creature out of jail ? ,although if he went in today he should be out in 5 years handy ,

I personally meet a fella in the street the other day who got 36 months for various robbery, assault and theft charges in November 2023 but was out because he went on on remand .

assuming he does the full time

I don't really get what discussion you want.

Man leaves keys in his car for whatever reason.

A yob kills the man.

You could apply the same principle to somebody whenever they've an accident/ get attacked.

It's like a Daily Tabloid title. Had me thinking the person convicted was the car owner.

Another guy hitting 170km/h, this time going the wrong way on a road, and killing someone.

4 years detention.

But God love him, can't be named cos he's 17.

Time to change some laws in this country.

You couldn't make up some of the decisions being made by the law makers and judges in this country.

i find more and more are locked into binary thinking in the past 10-15 years - I think a lot is to do with the adversarial nature of social media and the polarisation of media/politics - what I mean is - if you don't agree you are a bad person with a label.

The idea that we can't discuss a persons actions - the rights or wrongs of them without automatically being accused of (the pathetic attack) "victim blaming" in affront to normal human curiosity and conversation.

A normal discourse should accept that while a victim of crime deserves our sympathy and concerns , not all their actions may have been in their best interests. It should be possible to discuss this without saying the guy deserved his faith. Which nobody even hinted at yet the accusations of "victim blaming " flow.

It a sad state that people think and react like this - its almost like that either cant read and process what is actually written but instead jump off into a fantasy of what they think was written.

We all have animal caveman instincts that come out in times of danger, who knows how we'll react when family/property is threatened

My fathers car was being robbed a few years ago. I ran downstairs and out the front door after them, they ran and jumped into an awaiting car and drove off

Got a huge lecture when the Gardai eventually turned up because apparently I should have just let them take it. My reaction “F off, ya useless shower of c#*ts” almost led to me getting a charge. The police in this country are a joke.