Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

"I never said 2/3 were genuine."

You said in the 2nd last post - "I'm quite sure plenty who apply for asylum do so knowing they don't meet the criteria"

I was only mentioning that nearly 2/3 weren't genuine and how many do you think were applying for asylum were doing so without knowing the criteria and actually well knowing they were trying to enter as economic migrants.

"As an aside, poor reporting from the Examiner, it's not clear exactly what O'Gorman or Martin said and what's their own interpretation."

They actually quoted what O'Gorman - ""We know about 40% of people who go through the international protection system are able to prove that they are being persecuted and they meet the criteria and about 60% of people don't meet those particular criteria."

So 60% couldn't prove been persecuted and didn't meet that criteria for asylum so what exactly were these folk trying to enter Ireland. If O'Gorman need's to keep the language neutral and not say economic migrants then I think the Examiner did it for him. I don't think the Examiner is anything of a right-wing newspaper.

There's well over 100,000 Ukrainians living in Ireland now.

A few weeks ago saying that would have had you labeled "far-right".

It's finally good to see something happening but the horse has already bolted

What it does say in that link of yours is that non Germans make of 40% of criminal suspects, despite being 12% of population. So their crime rate is 330% higher than the German average based on your own link.

About time these changes of use are getting challenged. Hopefully we see more of this.

Leitrim County Council has issued High Court enforcement proceedings over a proposal to house some 150 international protection applicants at a former hotel in Dromahair village.

The local authority alleges Dromaprop Limited intends to change the use of its Abbey Manor Hotel from a “specific form of tourist accommodation” to temporary use for asylum seekers and has carried out unauthorised works in preparation for this change.

It's not comparing like with like though. Immigrants are likely to be adult, reasonably young, fit and healthy, more likely to be working working class than middle class etc....the very cohort you would be expect to be committing crimes in any society.

If you wanted to compare like with like to assess crime rates, you would probably try and compare German working class males aged 18-40 with male asylum seekers aged 18-40.

No, because the reality is it's mostly young men we will be getting so their higher crime rate is what we will be exposed to.

This will forever be routinely ignored though in favour of either (a) nah it's their culture or (b) sure, we have Irish criminals so why import more?

There is rarely an acknowledgement of the fact that native Irish people are now relatively highly educated / trained meaning they are now "moving up" the ladder within Ireland or, at the very least, when faced with an issue of not being able to do that at home they have reasonably good prospects of accessing labour markets elsewhere in the English speaking world or Europe.

As that space at the so-called "bottom" of the ladder empties, it is filled by migrants who will do the lesser jobs but, yes, as a poorer section of society there will invariably be crime and social problems. This has always been the way. Crime linked to class is ignored by many though, who prefer a view that it's all down to inescapable culture based on nationality or religion.

This is where the arguments become willfully disingenuous. Pretending that people who want to limit immigration want to stop ALL immigration. Ireland would surely be the only country in the western world if it were to follow such a policy. Many people want to limit immigration significantly, no sensible person wants to stop it entirely.

Thankfully it's a busted flush at this stage, misrepresenting people and labelling them as racist for wanting commonsense policies has failed. The overdue debate on immigration, which should have been had more than 20 years ago, can finally start now.

Holly Cairns is a total looper. I've never seen a person so totally out of touch with the electorate.

She sounds posher than Ivana… and is equally full of it.

The situation with hospitals in the Mid West shows the ostrich approach the Government have taken to population growth.

A previous FF government shut down the A & Es at Ennis, Nenagh and St John's in Limerick. It promised a centre of excellence in Limerick, but went ahead with the closures before the extra capacity in Limerick was ready.

By the time the extra capacity was ready it wasn't enough, and UHL has been a disaster area for years. And the population is still rising.

Recently some members of the Government have sought to blame the management of UHL for the situation. In reality the impact of the decision to close three A&Es, just a few years after mass immigration had begun, is the reason it's such a disaster.

And the Government are still making it worse. A particularly high number of refugees have been housed in Clare, for which the local hospital is UHL. It'll also serve the people housed in north Tipperary.

A number of people die every year because of the decision not to provide adequate hospital facilities for the region.

I'll be voting for either them or SF depending on what candidate runs locally.

I don't agree with either parties take on immigration but...

a) I think we have far bigger issues in the country, and

b) I think FFG (or any other right but not far right candidates) will continue to oversupply the country with visa migrants with the wrong skills, and actually do very little deportation when it comes to it.

I strongly believe we need a shift to the left economically in the country. We need to get public delivery of housing working and a proper public health service. No right wing party, or candidate, will consider either.

HC: "Ireland hasn't reached pre-famine population levels yet".

What, you want to pack entire families into single rooms?