Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Yes, and not only are they labelled traitors to Israel and the Jewish faith, they are accused of being 'pro-Hamas' and 'pro-October 7th' and wishing to see the state of Israel destroyed. This is how far down the propaganda rabbit hole they have gone.

Hey, there's innocent children starving just a few miles away, what should we do?

I know....let's hold a party and block any aid trucks trying to get in to help them.

Pure scumbaggery

Mosul, Iraq. Extremely similar situation. Terrorist group entrenched in a densely populated city (less population density than Gaza) same group using human shields. Yet the coalition forces manged to evacuate civilians and eradicated ISIS there without being accused of genocide.

Ideally it would be hamas that move its forces out of Rafah, that isn't going to happen so Israel changes tack, again, and facilitate the people to move to safety.

Having them move saves lives.

Many of the families of the kidnapped are protesting at the trucks, they are deeply hurt and angry and do not understand why Israel must be so only country to endure attacks and then feed the enemy fighters as well.

The govt will ensure that the food gets through though.

I don't follow, what's them being Arabs got anything to do with it? The battle for Mosul is the closest battle I can think of that is similar to the war on Gaza. The coalition forces manged to evacuate Mosul, cleared the city of ISIS and didn't end up in front of the ICJ. They have shown how to defeat terrorists who use human shields. The fact they are Arab is non pertinent.

"Ideally it would be hamas that move its forces out of Rafah"

If Hamas are in Rafah then why did the IDF tell the Palestinian civilians to go to Rafah promising them it was "safe"?

"The govt will ensure that the food gets through though."

And yet they're not, there's children starving to death and Israel sits by and allows it.

I don't think that the Irish hypocrisy (particularly that of the opposition parties) on this issue is a joke. Sinn Fein, Social Democrats et al are all for the Palestinian cause but if the government decided to put 150 single male Palestinian refugees into a town in Ireland, they would be up in arms criticising lack of consultation etc.

Another 2 journalists targeted by Israeli murder drones, I won't embed the tweet as there is some blood involved.

https://twitter.com/MawtiniLevent/status/1757370334284570715?t=Qxmzo9BY8v-H7gxrMC-LbQ&s=19

I wonder how long Palestinians in the illegally occupied West Bank would be allowed to protest and blockade and obstruct Israeli authorities before getting mown down by machine gun fire

2-seconds? 1 maybe? Shoot first, then shoot the ones coming to retrieve the bodies. I'd say "shoot first and ask questions later" except for the fact that they wouldn't bother with the latter part.

Agreed - war is brutal. But there are rules and laws.

Killing civilians to the extent the IDF has been doing, a war crime (Genocide). Killing those surrendering - a a war crime. Killing medical workers - a war crime. Etc.

What other neighbours would the Palestinians have attacked? And when you say "lucky", do you think the Israelis are perpetrating a "light touch" genocide?

Are you saying the current campaign by Israel is a successful operation? If so, I guess that sounds like full support for genocide and the return of 3 hostages (alive) in exchange for 100,000 dead and injured?

And as the rest of the world is pointing out, there is nowhere safe in Gaza. The Israelis probably mean "safe areas" as in its safe for them to commit more atrocities.

And its not Hamas stealing the food aid, its Israel and the Setters who are not letting it in.

But sure, the ICJ will sort that out I'm sure. Along with the ICC.

I get the impression that the "success" part for the Israelis is the 100k Palestinian - mainly civilian - dead or injured. The hostages part is just a useful tool for PR purposes.

So, liking a post is somehow full agreement with the post itself?

I would often post a "thanks" for anyone taking the time and effort to post information here - on review of said information I would then post a response if I felt necessary.

It really is bizarre that you are making all those assumptions on the basis of someone clicking a "thanks" button. But then perhaps you're just grasping at straws.

I asked you a simple question about the Ambassador, I think you're the one doing all the deflecting. Therefore, as I said, I know what your answer is so I'll waste no more of your time.

Are they the agressors? People tend to say that hamas started "this round". And yes, Hamas did launch an attack. But remember that israel had been killing Palestinian children on a regular basis up to that point. It could be argued that Hamas started this round because of the escalation in violence. But if we say an escalation in violence is "starting it" then the Israeli attacks have been so severe since then it could be argued that that israel is starting a new round.

At this point I don't think anyone can actually point the finger and go "they started it". Even if you go back to the 40's and before it can be murky. These discussions always turn into whatabouttery. And it was the same in the north. Everytime an IRA crime is mentioned, PIRA supporters will mention something the otherside did and vice versa. Like saying the other side are scum will excuse your side being scum.

Plus, I very much doubt that when 30k people have been killed in retaliations, that any Palestinian would accept a "Well, you started argument". Like the Palestinian civilians deserve to be killed because hamas started something.