Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

1947/48 doesn’t matter anymore in my opinion. It’s an irrelevance.

But assuming it’s not an irrelevance, the 6% won the war and won every major flashpoint in the region….for 75 years. And still the Arab side think it’s peace treaties that will get them no where. The war is a catastrophe but all loss of life in the war since maybe 1980 is a catastrophe. Because it was all needless and pointless since the war’s outcome was fixed since around that time or earlier.

I do believe so. It's no a co-incidence IMO that both Russia and Hamas are allies of Iran, and that Iran is funnelling weapons to both for the explicit purpose of use against civilians in Western-style democracies. Nor that the 7th of October is Putler's birthday. Nor that there have been meetings directly between Russian and Hamas leadership. Nor that this attack has successfully divided Western attention from Russia's genocidal war in Ukraine - something I am certain Hamas would have understood and taken into account as an Iranian puppet.

Even if you don't like Israel, intellectual consistency requires recognition that it's in the same position as Ukraine, Guyana, South Korea, Taiwan etc, with each to some degree sharing a common, unified enemy.

The 1947 UN Partition plan called for mostly worthless desert to be given to the new Jewish state. Much of that 55% comprises of the Negev desert, which was virtually uninhabited. Again, the founders of Israel accepted the '47 partition plan (even if there were some reservations).

What rabbit hole did you climb down?

The war might end, the apartheid state wouldn't, the stealing of homes/land wouldn't, the oppression of the Palestinian people wouldnt, the kidnapping/jailing of innocent men, women and children wouldn't.

More israeli scumbaggery

Hospital in Khan Yunis bombed killing one person.

It's genocide

And you didn't address a single point I made.

The vast majority of people do not support Israel in this conflict. they see 30k civilians dead and are disgusted. Likewise they don't support Hamas. they see the attack that Hamas committed and are disgusted.

In a bigger picture, over a longer time frame I'd say most Irish people are pro palestinian. They want to see an end to israeli apartheid and occupation.

At the moment there are bombs dropping in Gaza. They are dropping every day. Every day more and more civilians are being killed indiscriminately. Every day more and more people starve because Israel blocks aid from entering Gaza. people see this and are disgusted by the ongoing relentless killing of Gazans. And they want it to stop. And when they say this, there's a certain cohort that go "what about the hostages".

Gonna assume the answer is no. Between these claims and the idea October 7th was a birthday present for Putin, I think some people should really assess their sources and quality of the content being presented.

Palestine is also the West Bank

So by extension Bibi and his ilk is Israel using your logic as he has dominated Israeli politics for decades and been leader for much of that time

This is the guy that was happy to prop up Hamas to stifle the PA. Of course this assertion is just as inaccurate as you saying all Palestinians are in favour of Hamas. Many of the civilians killed didn't vote for Hamas .

The few that have tried to speak out against Hamas have been severely dealt with. It's easy for us to say Palestinians should just depose of them from the comfort of Ireland. This is not to say they don't have support in In Gaza, just as Irgun terrorists had support among Israelis, some of them went on to become leaders in the state of Israel.

As we see also in more recent times the Likud and far right terrorists obviously have enough support in Israel to be in government. The terrorists on both sides need to be removed. You won't agree with that characterisation of course, but far right ministers have excused and encouraged Settlers terrorism in the West Bank. If they had their way the carnage in Gaza would be even worse

The IDF protect Israel though (through brutal callous and illegal means). Hamas don’t.

It's not that hard to understand if we look back to the time of Irgun; terrorists,rightly or wrongly, have their supporters. Lest we forget the terrorist Yitzshak Amir became Prime Minister of Israel. He never once apologised for the murder of the Nordic diplomat either. The only difference between Irgun and Hamas is that at least Irgun were secular terrorists, but they both engaged in terrorism. The only way to make Hamas less popular is through a deal. Israel, even if they defeat Hamas, won't have long term security in the absence of a political solution. The other Yitzshak (Rabin) realised that but unfortunately it cost him his life due to "softies" like Bibi and his pals.

Another day another Palestinian executed

It's genocide

https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1757907134572839080?t=PWgZ_v_J3obaTwbVdaWWBw&s=19

And to think there was self-righteous indignation in this thread when it was pointed out that all Israelis of military age could possibly be considered combatants when everyone age 18 to iirc 40, is drafted into reserve and required to perform so many years of military service in the IDF

70% of homes - DAMAGED

84% of health facilities - ATTACKED

90% of the population - DISPLACED

80% of the worlds starving - IN GAZA

Yeah, it's genocide

"Its early hours of this morning & a tank shell has just hit Al Nasser Hospital in Khan Yunis"

It's genocide