Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Excuse me?

Two of the posts I quoted in my last post were posters anti all immigration/ better off before type of stuff so don't blame others for muddying the waters!

The point of waiting for status serves a couple goals.

1) conditions in their home country may change since their AS application so it's now safe to return.

2) languishing around on subsistence level of dole is unattractive. The point of asylum is that people are safe, not enriched.

Personally I would advocate confining them to DP centres, not out in public.

Sure, that's because we have a ruling class that believes we are fighting inflation by 'keeping wages low'.

Meanwhile undermine our actual immigration laws.

Most people today are living wage to wage and few have savings they can afford to have

Your making out a lot of false stuff about past.

My parents were considered lower to middle class and we always had enough. Yes things to house had be done bit by bit but we had holidays, went to matches etc.

That was with one income coming in too for while.

Combined incomes of 100-120k are struggling today.

Something badly wrong there.

Agree. But that was pre-generous dole (plus all the other benefits) Ireland.

Up until the mid 90's, most men and women in my rural area in the West who couldnt find work left to work in UK, US, Australia, Germany, etc.

Now the unemployed are so spolit they won't work or take min wage jobs, so the country depends on immigrants to fill these positions.

Sure, skilled immigrants. But what does that have to do with Refugees?

You said that before and I already answered that if there are people that do, and I haven't read posts that said that - that it would be a outlier point of view.

Hopefully, yes.

Here we have Leo stating the obvious, only about seven years later.

He stated that the majority of people who seek international protection come across the border from North to South. Our border is the sea, when these people enter the island of Ireland and travel to the south, this is where they apply for IP at IPO in Dublin, they're illegals. They should be deported. He thinks all of this is fine. 70% of our IP applications were made at the office in 2023 and he's stating that 40% overall have been "determined by our system deserving of international protection."..... that's bollox. "If somebody comes to an airport without documents, they are sent back, which happens continuously" bollox.

But Matty McGrath gets it "You're suggesting that we leave the United Nations, exempt ourselves from international law, and become some sort of hermit kingdom. That's just not common sense."..... he goes on to state that the Taoiseach should receive "a gold medal for disseminating disinformation and downright lies".

OMG

Processing asylum applications is the responsibility of the Dept of Justice so I'm curious why Helen McEntee didn't make this announcement. It's odd.

In the 15 years between 2002 and 2016, the percentage of asylum seekers whose claims were accepted as valid and granted refugee status stood at a mere 7%. But in 2016, the authority at the time tasked with processing asylum applications was changed from ORAC to IPAS. At this point, a category of 'subsidiary protection' was introduced whereby if an asylum seeker's claim was rejected, IPAS could still grant them residency on the theoretical possibility that they might face some 'hardship' if deported. People granted this option are, like those granted refugee status, allowed to apply for family reunification. The Dept of Justice was under no obligation to introduce this category which falls beyond the scope of the UN's Convention on Refugees. But they did. Imagine that.

In 2017, for example, all asylum applications from Nigerians were rejected. Yet 57% were then granted subsidiary protection. Applications from Congolese people were rejected but 100% of them were subsequently granted subsidiary protection. And if an asylum seeker fails to qualify for subsidiary protection, there's a third option where they can still be granted Leave To Remain at the Dept of Justice's discretion on "compassionate" grounds. The same status that is issued to those with a deportation order who didn't "self-deport." I've brought up the case of Ellie Kisyombe who spent ten years in direct provision appealing her asylum application's rejection while refusing to go home to Malawi after being issued with a deportation order, until she was granted Leave To Remain and returned to Malawi twice on holiday. 

So O'Gorman is spreading disinformation when he said this:

A large portion of that 40% did not in fact have to prove they had been actively persecuted. O'Gorman said on Claire Byrne that international protection had to be for people fleeing war, conflict, and persecution. So why has the government been granting "status" (as the Anti-Irish Times likes to call it) to asylum seekers who can prove none of these things for the last seven years? I have my suspicions.....

Remember the homeless crisis was all over the news and now it isn't, has it gone away ?

In fairness, I think very few people (if any) are saying that all inward migration should stop. I think what the majority are saying is that immigration policy needs to be more focused on the needs of the country, not merely exploitative employers looking for cheap labour, and that it needs to take into account availability of accommodation, medical and other services.

Elections on the way - instead "look over here" that we've heard you on the need to reform immigration/AS/IP rules, and "look over here" that we're moving the Children's allowance extension forward to coincidentally the same day as the elections.

Surely also a coincidence that the latter was announced on the same day as the latest twist in the bottomless pit that is the Children's Hospital...

In other words, deflection and distraction, aided and abetted by a compliant docile media in most cases.

You really should go and look that up for yourself Elmer. There are jobs. Even here we have people complaining about Tesco interviewing IPAs at their accomodation.

Are you saying there are no jobs left in the country?