Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

I didnt say FG were amazeballs, I said if there is no other party taking a different stance, there is not an option for people to vote differently.

If you disagree, tell me whom they would vote for?

If you had any experience of multinational activity in Ireland, you would realise there are tens of thousands of irish folks working in high paid roles as a direct result of FDI, in Ireland!

All of those jobs could easily be moved abroad....then you would see your brain drain.

We are still a lightly populated country.

The only mistake, and it is a huge one, is not building infrastructure in line with population increase.

We can catch up on that front.

Is that 15k before or after family reunification and before they start having loads of kids, as is usual in these communities?

On asylum seekers Denmark has taken substantially less than Ireland in the past few years .

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1171340/number-of-asylum-seekers-in-denmark/

You're conflating legal immigrants with asylum seekers and refugees.

On the question of why are we so dependent on foreign staff in certain sectors? Well Tesco are now actively interviewing in IPAS centres so any Irish person going for the same jobs will be at a disadvantage as they're more likely to know employment law or have access to people who do and are willing to advocate on their behalf. Also IPAS have their accommodation and food neds met, so don't have those expenses compared to Irish workers and are more likely to take up those jobs.

To paraphrase the Central Bank, more immigration is needed to keep wages down.

People in this very thread have posted about halting all migration.

Read the posts.

I am absolutley aware there is a difference between skilled migrant labour and asylum migration, but some folks on this thread are calling for BOTH to be stopped.

I haven't read any posts calling for a halt to all migration. If there were, it would be very much an outlier opinion.

Everybody recognises we need inward migration to plug empty roles of skilled positions. Some posters (many) believe we don't require masses of unskilled labour to 'keep wages down'.

Refugees are another category of migrants. Some probably do have skills, many probably do not.

Imo, since we are already in a massive bloc of freedom of movement with over 440 million persons, we should fully tap into that resource before even contemplating giving refugees access to our labour market.

Well they'd be essentially skipping the queue of eu nationals for jobs. Additionally it creates a perverse incentive: forgo combersome migration rules by arriving here as a tourist and then claim asylum. Maybe after x number of years they could be given employment rights. But i'd prefer a delay so as to dissuade them from pursing that route : claiming asylum as an economic migrant.

I'd also input some language requirements.

We are in a sort of "Race to the Bottom", in terms of dissuading refugees to land on this island via the benefits they are awarded. Our political class are too busy virtue signaling to notice. Being a small island off north western coast of europe gives us geographic advantages over our peers in this respect. It's a matter of political will.

For example, if one is successful at their asylum claim (x number of years before you can re-apply, and no appeal), they'd still have to live in a purpose built DP centre for say, 10 years before they can join the labour market. I'd guess something like that may dissuade opportunistic applicants.

Only because it is true and unarguable ..uncomfortable for you I suppose .

There have always been foreign doctors staffing our hospitals in this country. Senior experienced

doctors that were absolutely vital .

Nurses have been Irish and English mainly until the 00s .

What's this about " importing cheap labour " ? Lol

Don't let any employers hear you say that !

We have one of the highest minimum AND average wages in the OECD , per hour, in the top 15 for both , not to mention tightly regulated conditions of employment which are adhered to .

You want to avail of cheap Labour markets Croatia and Poland are in the running for the lowest wages , certainly not Ireland .

Working conditions are arguably making us less competitive than other countries , not at all what you infer .

But carry on there regardless..

So yeah, yez are all talking the usual xxxx to justify your pontificating ..

10 years paying for someone to live here ??

Thats not a good thing.

Let people work and pay tax if they want to as soon as they have a successful application.

What about all the complaints previously about young men hanging around with nothing to do?

I agree with Housing them in DP centres alright but not detaining them and certainly applications processing needs to be much faster than previously.

But they are allowed to work after 6 months because it is better for them to be employed and earning,

You know why that is I think.

The problem is we don't have the staff to process 1000s of migrants and send them back if their applications to stay here is refused our economy needs to be in the EU that's why company's like Facebook Google are based here we have a shortage of doctors nurses and gardai and the housing crisis continues

At least the government reduced welfare payments for Ukrainian migrants to 38 euro

We have to follow EU law in processing migrants

On the plus side our hotels retail stores cafes could hardly exist without the people from EU country's who came here to work

Oh look.. Roderic is now spouting "far right rhetoric" as well!

I especially liked this bit :

Maybe he's been reading my previous posts on this topic (Hi Roderic!)

Of course, this is so transparent it's ridiculous. The only reason that they are now publicly acknowledging that water is indeed wet is because the party bosses are obviously terrified about their chances in the upcoming local and euro elections - same reason why they've suddenly decided to bring forward the child benefit extension as announced today.

If you are here Roderic (or whatever staffer is monitoring these sorts of threads/sites), you're fooling no one!