Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Would I be correct in the assumption that you are disputing population densities and accuracy of figures to somehow argue that "it's not genocide"?

Perhaps you missed the post showing 12,000 children have been murdered in 3 months by Israel?

There's a good article about the crisis in Gaza on the guardian UK website opinion section

It says the Israeli government is made up of right wing party's their policy is simply to bomb the hell out of Gaza there's no peace plan or a plan to have a ceasefire the only hope is that Biden might stop sending arms to Israel as the civilian casualties increase

The idf relys on a constant stream of weapons and bombs from the us government

The present Israeli government is extremely right wing the idf even killed 2 ambulance workers who were sent to rescue a child in the last week there is simply no safe space left in Gaza mode people in Gaza are not members of hamas if the civilians are not killed by bombs they are at risk or starvation there's a shortage of food and basic medical supply's

We are witnessing war crimes and genocide against a defenceless civilian population of course hamas are a ruthless violent terrorist group but the present bombing of civilian buildings houses and mosques is not justified the Israeli government had warnings that a hamas attack was coming before Oct 7th but they did not think that hamas had the resources to mount an attack and break thru the border defences with missiles drones and other vehicles

The hamas attack was well planned and designed to attack in a short space of time and overwhelm the border defences

In the 70s in Ireland we had the Ira planting carbombs we should understand most civilians don't support extreme violent terrorist attacks hamas only has the support of a small percentage of civilians in Gaza

I'm not taking anything away from the reports below but I'd imagine the outrage from some Israelis (and their supporters) would put their outrage about the deaths of 12,000 Palestinian kids in the ha'penny place.

Haaretz:

The niece of Fernando Marman, rescued from captivity by the IDF this week, said that he did not receive the medicine delivered to Gaza specifically for him as part of a deal with Hamas.

Agam Goldstein-Almog, who was released from Hamas captivity during the hostage deal in November, said that one of the hostages was sexually assaulted at gunpoint.

I don't think anyone "established" either of those points here.

Many (not all) have unequivocally condemned all actions of Hamas against Israelis and Palestinians alike. I have posted Haaretz reports of Hamas stealing food.

But that does not excuse the actions of Israel against civilians - particularly the IDF and Settlers.

Dear God. How on earth could someone say what he just said and claim to be human? .....

What is Israel doing to protect the citizens of Gaza?

For a nation that makes sure everyone knows it's a supposed "beacon of light" and "the only democracy" in the Middle East, it is on a free fall trajectory down that particular league table.

As for Biden, does anyone honestly believe it is solely within his purview to simply snap his fingers and Netanyahu will do as he's told? Politics doesn't work like that. Biden and the US plus many many other countries have told Israel not to attack Rafah.

If Israel does, and the Gazans are slaughtered in their 10's of thousands, I think there is a distinct possibility that one or more countries nearby will unleash hell on Israel. Please god it doesn't get to that - this is all on Netanyahu and his warmongers. Not on Biden.