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Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

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  • #11222
    thesandeman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121726431#Comment_121726431

    He better watch his back 🙂

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  • #11223
    Ezeoul
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    He is due for another review of his contempt this month, but I haven't seen anything in the Courts legal diary yet.

    (eta) for anyone who wants to check, the case number is "2022 4507 P" in the Chancery List.



  • #11224
    Darian Rhythmic Trombone
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ Darian Rhythmic Trombone


    Enoch should apply for asylum in the states, he is clearly been persecuted in this country.



  • #11225
    pixelburp
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121748276#Comment_121748276

    Restraining orders and contempt of court judgements also exist in America.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • #11226
    Darian Rhythmic Trombone
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ Darian Rhythmic Trombone


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121748703#Comment_121748703

    The US courts wouldn't uphold an Irish courts decision. Also if he claimed he was persecuted by the Irish for his religious beliefs that would be grounds for asylum. Many asylum applications are based on this. I don't think he could ever live a normal life here. There's religious based communities in the US that live the old way of life, who mostly keep to themselves and resolve issues within their own communities.



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  • #11227
    Quandary
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    "I don't think he could ever live a normal life here. There's religious based communities in the US that live the old way of life, who mostly keep to themselves and resolve issues within their own communities."

    I cannot see how any of the Burkes would be happy to live in that environment. The single biggest issue with the Burkes is that they want to force everyone else in society to be governed by their beliefs and value systems because they have an unshakeable belief that their version is the only way life should be lived.



  • #11228
    Flaneur OBrien
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121749224#Comment_121749224

    He's not being persecuted for his religious beliefs though. If anything, he's being persecuted for a being a knob.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • #11229
    pixelburp
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121749224#Comment_121749224

    He is not being persecuted over his religious beliefs however, he's being jailed because he refused to comply by a court order, issued because he harassed and interfered with the school staff. Then caused enough commotion in court that he twice got slapped with contempt. So any asylum claim wouldn't get very far on the simple grounds that his incarceration is not based on belief, but workplace behaviour.

    Sure,the Burkes are claiming religious persecution but as we have seen, has not held up in court at any point.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • #11230
    Ezeoul
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121748276#Comment_121748276

    Enoch doesn't want to live in the States.

    He wants to live here, and tell everyone else how to live.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • #11231
    Wanderer78
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121749224#Comment_121749224

    ...yup plenty of religious fruit loops in the states alright, doing their bit in persecuting, ridiculing and isolating those that feel left out or different, including lgbtq+ folks, he d fit in well there alright.....

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • #11232
    cj maxx
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    To tell the truth , I never knew about this story . I haven’t watched Rte news in a long time . Crackpots .



  • #11233
    Jim2007
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121749224#Comment_121749224

    US courts would certainly uphold contempt charges and even impose a much more sever punishment for it. As for religious persecution, it does not come even close to the definitions used the immigration hearings in the US.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • #11234
    Hotblack Desiato
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121749224#Comment_121749224

    He can live a normal life here any time he wants. But that's not the way he was brought up.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on

    © 1982 Sinclair Research Ltd



  • #11235
    pixelburp
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121752364#Comment_121752364

    He can also walk out of jail tomorrow, and live a free man, it's his choice to remain in jail. Further eroding any legitimate sense of asylum based on religious persecution. The only one keeping Enoch Burke in Mountjoy is Enoch Burke.



  • #11236
    Frank Bullitt
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121748276#Comment_121748276

    He has to get out of prison first.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • #11237
    knucklehead6
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121752734#Comment_121752734

    Easily done.



  • #11238
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121753052#Comment_121753052

    And yet, so difficult for him.



  • #11239
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,186 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121749224#Comment_121749224

    There's religious based communities in the US that live the old way of life, who mostly keep to themselves and resolve issues within their own communities.

    that's not how you spell "beat the shít out of women and kids" though.

    Isn't it funny that it's fine for Middle Eastern Batshít Religion A to "life the old way of life and resolve issues within their own communities", but when Middle Eastern Batshít Religion B proposes the same it's an abomination.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on

    © 1982 Sinclair Research Ltd



  • #11240
    tayto lover
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    They should let him out for the Mid Term Break when the school is closed and the taste of freedom might convince him to purge his contempt.

    A Taste of Freedom.



  • #11241
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,186 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    He's never known freedom though has he?

    Not with a mother like that.

    © 1982 Sinclair Research Ltd



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  • #11242
    hoodie6029
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121760560#Comment_121760560

    Bang on. Don’t forget the father too. He’s not some poor, put upon husband. Currently facing trial for assaulting a Garda. What a guy.

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • #11243
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121759824#Comment_121759824

    The school being open or closed has nothing to do with his being in Jail.

    Even if he never went near the school again he'd still be in contempt until such time as he stands in front of a judge and purges the contempt and formally accepts the terms of the injunction.

    Literally a 2 minute conversation over Zoom with the Judge and he's out within a couple of hours.

    But no..



  • #11244
    Penn
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761744#Comment_121761744

    Not to mention he was released from his initial tenure in jail for Xmas 2022 as the school was on break and they determined that jail was having no effect at that stage. Start of the January school term, he was right back out in front of the school, and the courts determined to impose fines instead.

    Obviously things have now progressed following further rulings to where we are now, but either way, as soon as he's out of jail, he'll be right out in front of the school again. He can not and will not ever give any leeway on this imo, as he's tied the issue so strongly up in his religious beliefs that to give any leeway or concession is basically an affront to God.



  • #11245
    scottser
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    religion should carry some form of government health warning.



  • #11246
    Grayson
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121749224#Comment_121749224

    Do you actually think he could keep to himself?

    The Burkes aren't the quiet kind of Christians for who religion is a personal decision. They're the kind who go looking for something that will offend them, then kick up a fuss about it.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • #11247
    Hamsterchops
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120071999#Comment_120071999

    Kangaroo 😀

    But you're not seriously suggesting that the teacher address the kid as Skippy for fear of being reprimanded? or is it now expected that if the kid wants to identify as a kangaroo then the teacher (must oblige) for fear of being accused of bullying, and ultimately fired for not indulging the kids fantasy 🤔 is this what is being suggested?

    This new pronoun thing wrecks my head, then again it's a new thing, and I'm not

    Back in my day it was Sir this, and Sir that, and we were called by our Surnames!



  • #11248
    Donald Trump
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121764962#Comment_121764962


    I think you missed the point. However you analyse the situation, you would logically end up supporting the child - not bullying them.

    I don't know how your typical day goes, but I don't seem to encounter any specific situations where I end up discussing someone's identification or "classification".


    What are you going to do if you are a teacher and some parents have named their child "skippy"? Or any other name you disapprove of.

    https://www.thebump.com/b/skippy-baby-name


    If a child is legally Patrick, but goes by "Paddy", would you refuse to call them Paddy?



  • #11249
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users Posts: 3,260 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Skippy the bush kangaroo, No? Showing my age again.....

    The name Skippy (60s TV show) being synonymous with a kangaroo which you mentioned. Apologies if I'm misunderstanding you, but are you saying that the teacher must indulge in the child's fantasy re their preferred pronoun, like kangaroo, cat, dog etc?


    I'm not a teacher, but I'm curious now



  • #11250
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,970 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121765029#Comment_121765029


    Not sure what you are on about. The child's name is the child's name. Some names are used for both male and female. If you have some issue over anything, you can easily avoid it by calling them their name. If the child thinks they are something else, well then they are probably getting enough stick from the other kids without the teacher piling in with a few additional digs.


    If the kids name is skippy, call them skippy. You don't need to make a big deal out of it. I knew a fella in school whose middle name was "Mary". Apparently common enough back in the day.



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  • #11251
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users Posts: 3,260 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    I'm not sure what you're on about either, it was your kangaroo reference that initially caught my attention ....

    By all accounts Burke is a total idiot for not staying away from the school. I mean what kind of a person disobeys the courts and turns up to the place he's been fired/excluded from, crazy stuff altogether, the whole family seem rather "cracked" if I can say that.



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