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parkrun, lap two

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Sandwell


    Agreed. I'd be a fast(ish) runner and a regular first finisher in some of my local Parkruns and I couldn't care less about any of this. If I'm looking for a yardstick to compare myself to other runners around my age category I'll use a quality road race or championship event.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,776 ✭✭✭donaghs


    I think we can read between the lines and know what prompted this change, and can understand why they’d say that. Avoid the culture wars and all that.

    this stuff was in the Uk press a bit before this decision

    there was a lot about it in December 2023:

    https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/2023/dec/29/rightwing-thinktank-female-only-categories-uk-grassroots-sport



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,544 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    Can't see any benefits to this move from Parkrun. Like, at all. For me part of the fun of Parkrun is all the data they provide. A retrograde step, as said above.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    In international competitive sports there is currently a massive pushback in relation to the whole gender self id issue, with an ever increasing list of sporting bodies stamping out this practice in favour (of what went before 2015), that is ..... men participating in the mens events & women in the women's events. For example in swimming, Lia Thomas cannot anymore compete as a woman. Other codes like cycling rowing & rugby are also on board as the pushback continues. Ex & current athletes around the world are fighting hard to get the gender issue back under control, based on biology & not feelings/ideology.

    Parkrun it seems, as a non competitive, fully inclusive, community based, get fit - fun event, are just doing their own thang 😃



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,271 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Again, this is going to be more of a UK problem than an Ireland problem, but I'm worried that Parkruns are going to be ruined by protests.

    The 5K app will probably step in and keep those lost statistics anyway.

    Post edited by flazio on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,471 ✭✭✭Sunny Dayz


    Seems very much like trying to apply solutions to problems that aren't there. It's like parkrun is trying to be everything to everyone. Parkrun seems to be focussing on the back of the pack and telling the front runners that they aren't important anymore.

    I'm disappointed to see the course records and first finishers gone from my local parkrun's page.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭CassieManson


    They have also removed the ability to search for other parkrunners



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 733 ✭✭✭Duzzie


    You still seem to be able to search for parkrunners through the friends section on the 5k app. For now anyway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭CassieManson


    If it is related to transgender athletes they will also have to remove the male and female first finisher references



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,520 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    We'd someone visit the local parkrun just last week to set the course record. I'm not sure who was dis-incentivised by the previous setup but there will certainly be competitive runners dis-incentivised now. Some bring a lot of welcome attention to the runs. Mageean's record at the end of last year for example made me aware of Belfast Victoria and I'd be adding it to my run list if I happen to be in Belfast some weekend. And I know about kids (my own included) that looked at the age category records and it has sparked their interest/got them talking about it. It's not the end of the world and it's a voluntary free event at the end of the day but it seems unnecessary to me. Parkrun has been going from strength to strength.



  • Registered Users Posts: 647 ✭✭✭simonw


    They have also removed the "Most events" page, which as a bit of a parkrun tourist, was the only one of the cross-event reports I ever looked at. Very disappointing, as that only has the count of different events you've done in that country, nothing to do with how fast you did them.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,123 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    The deletion of attendance records is really odd. Guessing for no other reason than to try and distract from the deletion of the age/ category records.

    Can't think of any inclusivity reason for hiding attendance records.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,550 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    Laytown confirmed for kick off on March 2.

    https://www.parkrun.ie/laytownbeach/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭plodder


    The attendance records were quite competitive at one point and probably still are among some people. So, while I'd question the value of some of these changes as well, I think they are all consistent with what they say they're doing. Incidentally, they admitted in an email to the event teams that they fecked up with the way this was handled. Making the change without telling the event teams and allowing it to become linked to the gender issue was a big mistake on their part imo.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,123 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Competitive between event teams possibly, but can't see how that affects potential new parkrunners in any way. If they don't like big crowds then don't go to Bushy Park, or if they do want the anonymity then do. But knowing that on Christmas day in year X they had 2000+ people turn up makes no difference.


    They are trying desperately to claim that it's nothing to do with the gender issue, but Xweets from the likes of PSH would suggest otherwise (even though he's got little to do with it anymore other than being one of the public faces). He at least seems to think it's related reasons.

    One thing that parkrun HQ are reliably good at is making a mess of any communication around changes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭plodder


    Sorry, I thought you were referring to the individual attendance records. So, yeah I'd agree event records are a strange one. On the gender issue, it's a different policy that hasn't changed since last year. Event results are still reported by gender, and you can still find the gender records for each event if you know where to look.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭Reg'stoy


    Anyone else having issues with their runs not counting towards their VHI rewards, I've 5 done this year but only 3 have been counted, one being the New Years day run which along with Xmas day wasn't recorded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭CassieManson


    As far as I'm aware they don't count the specials eg Christmas Day or New Year's day. They also don't count those outside the country.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,271 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    New year did eventually turn up for me but Christmas didn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,271 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    "Tubbercurry Trail" Parkrun is nearly ready and is looking to get going on the 23rd of March.

    https://www.facebook.com/share/KTrRkNBKh6Vy2zkk/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,271 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    I'm kind of replying to my own post, but I don't suppose it's too late to suggest they call themselves "Yeats Country Parkrun", cos you know, they are in Sligo and Sligo is Yeats Country. No other reason. 😇



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,033 ✭✭✭opus


    If you mean the event team, afraid they have zero say in what it's called! parkrun hq decide on the name & you basically have to accept it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,271 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    I feel as if I've hit on the Youghal Pobal Scoil bone of contention and I didn't mean to. It was just a bit of light hearted pun play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,271 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Something to watch out for if you plan on visiting on a different day is the tides. They have an instagram page now and will warn ahead of time if it's called off for the tide.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,471 ✭✭✭Sunny Dayz


    Is that not a bit of a pain in the backside not being able to go ahead on certain weekends because of the tides? And to set up a parkrun event knowing that? I've never done a beach parkrun - is this something other beach parkruns encounter?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,123 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    There is one near me where part of the course is on a path around a tidaly filled swimming "lake", and have been there half an hour before the start with the waves crashing over the sea wall above that lake. They do have an alternate course if the tide isn't compliant, but think they have only needed to use that a handful of times. There is a massive tidal range round here though, so the high tides don't last very long at all so quite easy to get lucky and not have a tide between 9 and 10:30 too often.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,271 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Every venue has availability problems now and then. Naas and Wexford have horse racing for example. Between this and no Parkruns at all, it's a better outcome.

    Narin and Inch do have enough beach at high tide to go ahead but that's the beauty of the Atlantic. However they would be more prone to weather cancellation then inland runs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 733 ✭✭✭Duzzie


    It does seem strange to pick a venue that you know won't be available on a significant number of days every year



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,123 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    There is probably some very complicated formula to work it out, but I think it must happen way less than we'd assume the tide would cause a cancellation or such courses wouldn't be viable. If they have two cancelled next month then they possibly don't get another clash of tides again for 10 months or something like that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 733 ✭✭✭Duzzie


    I guess it also depends on how much the course is impacted. Is it just at the peak of high tides or a couple of hours either side, only at spring tides when the high tides are higher .



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,550 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    Some history at SETU Arena.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,271 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Did University of Galway this morning, nice enough run although I think the use of the park to stretch out the 5k could be improved, especially as it's potentially a tourist hotspot for challenge chasers.

    As it stands you do two laps around a field on a pretty narrow path, out and back on the riverside path and one more lap of the field before finishing.

    I reckon they should start with the out and back and then do 3 laps of the field, that way we get the different paces spread out before we tackle the narrow path portion rather than the awkward jostling while everyone is still bunched up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 421 ✭✭ISOP


    Good idea, I did it two weeks ago and the start is a bit chaotic alright



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,512 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    I believe Yeats was more of a North Sligo / Leitrim man. Those Tobercurriers are friends he hasn't yet met. 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 733 ✭✭✭Duzzie


    Went for a bucket list parkrun at the stunning Eden Project this morning . Absolutely loved it. Entrance to Eden Project is usually 35 pounds per adult but parkrunners and their supporters get in for free. Spent 4 hours wondering around. If ever over in that neck of the woods, it is well worth a visit, despite the hills.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,123 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    It is a great course and by far the best way to visit Eden Project. Great cheap way to visit, although you may then end up spending that money anyway in the gift shop.



  • Registered Users Posts: 647 ✭✭✭simonw


    What's the best way to get over to it from Ireland? Have always been curious about it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 733 ✭✭✭Duzzie


    We flew into Newquay with Ryanair, then by train to Par. Ryanair only go to Newquay every other day so flew out Friday and back on Sunday. Flying to Bristol is the other option.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭diceyreilly


    Heading to Manchester this weekend.

    will be doing a parkrun on Saturday morning.


    anyone ever done one they can recommend please



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,271 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Rain warning on the east coast until 3am Saturday morning, could be flooding on Parkrun routes, check their socials.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    I've done South Manchester and Peel before, both quite nice 2 lappers if I remember correctly. If choosing between them, I'd just go to the one nearest your accommodation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,471 ✭✭✭Sunny Dayz


    It's been a few years but we did Stretford parkrun when we were in Manchester for a weekend. It was handy enough to get to by train. Don't forget they start at 9am there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭py


    With the weather hitting a frosty spell in some places, it's worthwhile keeping an eye on the usual page for cancellations.


    https://www.parkrun.ie/cancellations/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,271 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Laytown might end up getting a lot more then they bargained for. A saltwater beach would be reasonably safe from ice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,271 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Brickfields, Poppintree are go, Marley, Griffeen and Dodder called off.



  • Registered Users Posts: 492 ✭✭Butterbeans


    Waterstown is off



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭py


    Tymon is on 🙌



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,123 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Chucking it down with rain at ours this morning and the nearest parkrun had already been called off due to anticipated mud bath conditions. Look out the window first thing and a car drives past with an inch of snow on the roof, we all look at each other confused. Turns out various parkruns within 5 miles of us were called off last minute due to snow. Meanwhile we've just got drenched and not seen any snow except what has driven past us on car roofs.


    Wife managed to get around a coastal soggy event which was on, and I had a dirty fry up breakfast in the nearby cafe with soggy dog and reluctant kid.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭Reg'stoy


    Did Laytown this morning with nearly 400 others, bit of wind chill and the planned out and back course, turned into an out and back and an out and back. The start itself was a bit congested, but considering it was event no.1 that had to be expected. Sand was quite damp, so trail runners were needed, beach itself was wide enough, so people running towards each other wasn't really a problem. Personally I enjoyed it, first parkrun on sand. Parking wasn't an issue for us, we car pooled and arrived early. Train from city gets there for 8-45 and back at 10-45, not too far off the M1, exit before tolls. Finish was well managed, plenty of volunteers. As with all parkruns, get there early to have the chats and hang around to have a coffee and show support for the team and other runners.



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