Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

This is an odd one. I recall Israeli stating that as regards the Settlers, they would bring them to justice if found to have committed crimes.

So why is Israel afraid?

Israel fears that other countries will join the U.S., Britain and France in imposing sanctions on settlers involved in violence against Palestinians, a diplomatic source told Haaretz, adding that Paris' decision not to wait for a European Union decision on the matter could now encourage other EU countries to take similar steps.

You obviously don't understand the term "whataboutery" - it requires an unconnected issue. The Hamas attacks and the kidnappings are why Israel attacked Gaza.

By your logic, somebody complaining about Berlin being run by foreigners in 1945 would be perfectly entitled to shout "whataboutery" if the answer given was "Because the Nazis".

Which would be ridiculous. As is the attempt to do the same here.

'It's war, can't prove war crimes in war'

What Hamas did was a terrorist attack. Soon as their leaders are turned over, war crimes can be tried (rape, dismemberment, murder). There is evidence being gathered about this attack. The tragedy of that family that Sky reported on, is just not evidence yet. It's a news report. And it's disgusting.

But that hasn't been proven. Apply your standard evenly.

There were posts here along the lines of "there is little evidence on the alleged rapes on Oct 7th". Those posts were pilloried by all and sundry. And to be crystal clear, those posts did not state rapes or sexual violence did not happen. Just that there was no corroborated evidence.

I might be misreading you but are you saying those rapes etc on Oct 7th are "alleged" and cannot be proven until tried in court?

As an aside, Zaka took video "evidence" of the massacre, the bodies of victims, the destruction etc. They then used that footage to raise funds for themselves.

Is that what the slaying of the sheep was? A birthday celebration?

It's unfortunate that Israeli apologism would stoop so low as to throw its hands up in the air and say 'it just can't be proven' to matters that would otherwise go unchallenged, except, lo, the allegations are leveled at Israel, the Most Moral Army in the World TM.

What do you call the murder of people waving white flags? Or would you just decline to answer?

How can we admit what hasn't been proven under the standard applied used to excuse the IDF from murders?

Haven't seen you admit that what Israel is doing is committing war crimes. Clarify that please.

Well there's the fact that Hamas claim themselves to be holding those captives in Gaza. Do you think they are lying?

I think you missed the point of that post entirely, or you've decided to intentionally misconstrue it.

The same rational, critical thinking approach that allows me to conclude what happened on the 7th was an abhorrent act of mass terrorism, also allows me to see that what Israel is doing in response, is Genocide.

"Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass"

I wish more people who are so sure of command and control centers under every bakery and school and home without the sufficient evidence were as willing to admit what Israel is conducting here is a genocide.

As I said, and anticipated, one can of course take an ad-hoc a-la-carte approach to deciding what is and isn't connected in order to suit themselves.

If one group in a fictitious place, lets call it Northern Island, kills a group of people in a pub on Monday and in retaliation the second group explodes a bomb on the Wednesday, then the second group cannot go on about the Monday incident as we have decided it suits us to dismiss it as unconnected and therefore "whataboutery".

Whereas in another fictitious place, let's call is Philipstine, if one group does something on October 7th, then if the other group goes on a genocidal rampage, then there is no maximum length of time the the second one can say "whatabout" what happened on October 7th without it being whataboutery. They can keep milking it even 4 months and 30k+ murdered later.

Perfectly logical and consistent. As always.

He did outline his plans to "make room" for the expansion of the German people in mein kampf, he also had a very antisemitic stance. He marched all over Europe but never pretended that it was self defence. Unlike the pretence stance of the "defenseless Israelis."

My view of the Israel vs Arab conflict when you break it down- one side has been winning the war for 75 years. One side has been losing the war for 75 years. The side that is losing isn’t prepared to accept that it is losing and make peace. The side that is winning is cruel but the side that is losing is stupid. There is no prospect of this situation being resolved. It could go on for another 20 years. It could go on for another 100 years.

roast me

And kept all the most arable land for themselves.