Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

I think - judging by recent polls - SF popularity spike may have already peaked. I'm less worried about a risk of switch to an SF led government now than I was before the recent immigration issues and SF's arse splinters from fence sitting.

The most likely outcome from recent polls looks like a hung dail, unless either SF or FFFG can get enough "others/IND" on board. Whatever it is, it is likely to be less stable than the current regime. I personally hope for FF+FG+Anyone else except GP &SF

I'm not talking about choice I'm looking at the path to 50%+1 seat, to form a government. The main crux is what is likely to happen after the next GE

Politicians have been sent to Jail, they lost jobs, they lost their seats. What type of toxic accountability are you referring to?

Im sorry, but you go off on ephemeral issues like 'toxicity' because of the 'powerswap'. You cant even define or explain correctly what you mean.

It seems you are using negative and pejorative words for the of it.

And of course in the SF thread..

If it bothers you so much, perhaps start a separate thread on it?

There are probably two conclusions at this stage.

(1) The accusation against FF and FG of toxicity does not stand up. Those making that accusation don't seem to be able to back it up, that means the accusation is born of hyperbole at the least, and inflamatory trolling at the worst. Not for me to judge where on the spectrum the accusation stands at the minute.

(2) It has been conceded that all parties have a problem with accountability. As this thread is solely about SF, and the government one about the government, we can ignore accountability issues of the government here and concentrate on SF.

When you get diversionary antics around items like toxicity and power swaps, it is always worth taking a look at the news to see what we are being diverted from. Well, first we have the fiasco on the TV licence:

Sinn Fein as is normal, sides with the criminals, those who have refused to pay their licence.

"Because they will always be of a view that Sinn Féin will give an amnesty to those who have never paid a bill or who never intended to pay a bill in the first instance."

Another back-firing policy initiative.

Then there is the begging bowl philosophy:

"Ms Archibald said it was "not acceptable" for London to make the write-off of a £559m debt conditional on the publication and implementation of a sustainability plan."

Why not? To get a couple of thousand euro from a local council, even community groups have to produce a plan for spending it, yet Caoimhe somehow thinks that a £559m debt write-off should come with no strings attached, not even a plan, so that she can run up another deficit.

I suppose I deserve the response of something something partitionist toxic power swap.

Your language mirrors the Sinn Féin online armies on social media

That's fine you can do that and you can playfully to and fro with your detractors here as you see fit,that's a waste of time to me

However I'm here for the facts in debate

it's been pointed out umpteen times and it's a well known fact published by 100's of books by esteemed writers and journalists that FF and FG fought tooth and nail with each other for every seat for over a 100 years

They did not swap power

There were only 2 leading electable government parties because your party and others abdicated responsibility in not providing choice for government

Yours in particular by being soviet friendly

No amount of you repeating a lie about power swapping makes it the truth

No amount of waiting until the thread runs on a few 10's of pages in the hopes previous debunking of the nonsense is forgotten makes that do either

It just looks silly as does the just as stupid replies from some of your detractors

This tread is pathetic

Yet you are flapping about the place and dancing on a pinhead in trying to explain to us that the use of the word 'toxic' is not a pejorative?

Pull the other one.

I don’ like ‘toxic’ things of any strength.

I think the arrogance and comfort that resulted from power only swapping between two parties for so long was and is a ‘bad’ or toxic thing for us. In other words ‘I don’t like it’.

Five things.

1) FF and FG fought each other, tooth and nail for the the guts of 90 years

2) Your use of the word toxic is without merit, cause, or justification.

3) Your use of the words is just there to inflame and insult

4) Start a new thread on it, if it bothers you so much

5) Given you claim to only have voted for SF for the first time in 2020 (a lie), weren't you a willing participant in this 'toxic' arrangement up to only recently? Bit rich to cry about it now.

You have been banging on about this for the past 4 years.

It's boring and tiring.

Move on, or start a new thread.

The bodies tasked with monitoring the GFA committments IMC.

Also, I see neither the Gardai or Revenue conducting criminal investigations into SF or their finances.

Until that happens then I assume their affairs are in order.

And involved exclusively in democratic means, again if they are active as a paramilitary force that is for the monitors, the PSNI and Gardai to act on.

Fine by me, I meant what I agreed to in the GFA - that these people were to get involved in democratic politics. I didn't have glass ceilings in mind.

How they structure their party or elect officials is their business really, I can fully understand, given where they came from, why there is a culture of privacy about what they do. Same as it is for other parties. All of them have different ways of doing things.

You claim you made your decision on Sinn Fein away from "books or newspapers or internet rumours"

Yet you make your decision on other parties based on what, from the contents of your posts, Sinn fein tell you.

The same content is shared daily across all social media website, on twitter, facebook, reddit etc etc. So it is clearly been fed to people from a central point, in my opinion anyway.

It's wash, rinse, repeat in terms of the content, the phrases (partition, west brit) etc which you regurgitate daily on here for years now.

No chance a group of people from seemingly different parts of the country/background etc could all come up with the same contents/idea's weekly for over 4 years now. Meanwhile Sinn fein had started a huge push for online supporters just before this phenomenon started.

Meanwhile ignoring any issues with Sinn Fein or their members.

Hence why you have zero credibility in what you post. It's just regurgitated propaganda from a political party.

Well, we all know the boys in West Belfast i.e PIRA, runs the show for SF.

Yet you don't share the same assessment about other parties, calling their arrangement toxic where there is a lack of accountability to this arrangement.