Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

way earlier.

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1921-1936/red-line

Can you apply the "intellectual consistency" doctrine of yours to Israel's open-face plans to ethnically cleanse the Gaza Strip? Can you apply it and recognize what's happening as genocide or will we get another hand wringing about population density per square kilometer?

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israels-far-right-plots-a-new-gaza-without-palestinians-8563a08d

Muslims believe in a good afterlife and often don't view death as a bad thing.

Yeah but there were was probably Hamas in there somewhere 😐️

No. Whatabouttery is a distraction. Whatabouttery is about trying to excuse the faults of one side by pointing at the faults of the other. Rather than addressing an accusation, it's about making a counter accusation. So I say israel should stop bombing civilians and someone goes "What about the hostages". Yes, hostages should be released, but by bringing up the hostages, it's removing the focus from the bombing of civilians. Or it's trying to justify blowing up a family of Palestinian civilians because some other people kidnapped some people.

Another example.... In the north when someone brings up an IRA atrocity, the IRA's defenders will bring up something that a unionist paramilitary did. Yes, they're all part of the same conflict but just because one side did something horrible, doesn't detract from the horrible things the other side did. The IRA are no less to blame for the killing of innocent people because some unionists also killed some innocent people.

I have no issues calling out both Israel, more specifically the israeli government, and Hamas for their killing of innocent civilians.

Should have been done weeks ago.

The leaders of Canada, Australia and New Zealand called for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza

Palestine is also the West Bank

So by extension Bibi and his ilk is Israel using your logic as he has dominated Israeli politics for decades and been leader for much of that time

This is the guy that was happy to prop up Hamas to stifle the PA. Of course this assertion is just as inaccurate as you saying all Palestinians are in favour of Hamas. Many of the civilians killed didn't vote for Hamas .

The few that have tried to speak out against Hamas have been severely dealt with. It's easy for us to say Palestinians should just depose of them from the comfort of Ireland. This is not to say they don't have support in In Gaza, just as Irgun terrorists had support among Israelis, some of them went on to become leaders in the state of Israel.

As we see also in more recent times the Likud and far right terrorists obviously have enough support in Israel to be in government. The terrorists on both sides need to be removed. You won't agree with that characterisation of course, but far right ministers have excused and encouraged Settlers terrorism in the West Bank. If they had their way the carnage in Gaza would be even worse

The only innocents in Gaza are children under the age of 4. I guess that explains a lot of the IDF actions.

There is something seriously wrong with the Israeli psyche.

Well, interestingly, whenever the actual Palestinian populace is polled they indicate strong support for Hamas.

For example, here's the results of a poll from mid-December:

1. 44% in the West Bank said they supported Hamas, up from just 12% in September. In Gaza, the militants enjoyed 42% support, up slightly from 38% three months ago.
2. 57% of respondents in Gaza and 82% in the West Bank believe Hamas was correct in launching the October attack
3. Overall, 88% want Abbas to resign

So presenting Hamas as an entity that somehow stands apart from the 'ordinary Palestinian' and does not represent their wishes is inaccurate. Hamas enjoys broad support among Palestinians.

I responded to a post asking "why don't Palestinians ever criticise Hamas?". My post indicated that they have criticised them in the past, in spite of the inherent dangers in doing so.

You responded to my post showing roughly 50% favourability ratings for Hamas in Gaza, which corresponds with my post and also addresses the original question.

You then finished up with "So presenting Hamas as an entity that somehow stands apart from the 'ordinary Palestinian' and does not represent their wishes is inaccurate.", which is not something that I attempted to do.

The IDF and the satanic right wing Israeli govt has strong support among Israelis. Evil organisations being supported by their brain washed supporters is not as much of a gotcha as you think it is.

The IDF protect Israel though (through brutal callous and illegal means). Hamas don’t.

It's not that hard to understand if we look back to the time of Irgun; terrorists,rightly or wrongly, have their supporters. Lest we forget the terrorist Yitzshak Amir became Prime Minister of Israel. He never once apologised for the murder of the Nordic diplomat either. The only difference between Irgun and Hamas is that at least Irgun were secular terrorists, but they both engaged in terrorism. The only way to make Hamas less popular is through a deal. Israel, even if they defeat Hamas, won't have long term security in the absence of a political solution. The other Yitzshak (Rabin) realised that but unfortunately it cost him his life due to "softies" like Bibi and his pals.

Another day another Palestinian executed

It's genocide

https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1757907134572839080?t=PWgZ_v_J3obaTwbVdaWWBw&s=19