US Mass Shootings Megathread - read OP

given that the mental health of americans is on the decline , there can only be more shootings in the medium term

The suspect in a shooting at a psychiatric hospital in the US is dead, police say.

New Hampshire state police initially had reported "multiple victims" from the shooting, but later said gunfire was confined to the lobby area of the facility and that "all patients are safe".

"The suspect in this situation is deceased," Colonel Mark Hall said, without elaborating or taking questions.

He also said there was no longer any threat to the public.

The Associated Press reports that, other than the suspect, one person was shot, citing an anonymous police official.

The shooting was "contained to the front lobby" of the hospital, according to the Homeland Security department, and authorities are investigating a "suspicious vehicle".

New Hampshire Governor Chris Sununu said the incident has been contained.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/multiple-victims-shooting-hospital-hampshire-212800375.html

I was wondering why this one shooting (out of how many today?) was important enough to make the news?

Someone famous?

So the prosecution tried the case on the fact that 15 year old boy had acute mental health issues which his parents failed to address which made them responsible for the shooting.

The same prosecution argued that his mental health issues had absolutely no bearing on his ability to commit the crime and he was sentenced to life without parole, something that can only be given to minors if a judge deems rehabilitation is impossible.

It's legal to bring your child to the shooting range, also no law existed at the time pertaining to secure storage.

This case was based primarily on the fact that the parents did not seek mental health treatment for their son, which is unprecedented in this type of incident.

The Supreme Court Ruled in 2012 that a child who commits a crime cannot be locked up for the rest of their lives except for very exceptional circumstances.

The child clearly had mental health issues, but these were ignored at his trial and omitted from sentencing as mitigation.

It was the main aggravating factor in this case. It's beyond hypocritical.

He shot 10 people and killed 4 of them with a gun made available to him by his parents.

You are missing the point.

Whilst you and me would look at the fact that parents thought the child to be a crack shot and left the gun lying around as their main culpability. That was not illegal at the time, no law was broken. They were perfectly entitled to do that. I definitely think they had culpablity, but not now for the primary thing she was convicted on. You could argue the end justifies the means, but that is a very slippery slope to go down.

She was convicted on the primary fact that she did not seek mental health support for the child, the state on one hand is arguing that would have prevented the crime whilst on the other arguing it had no bearing on it. Those 2 things should not co-exist.

AFAIk the child wasn't prolific in his ramblings about killing.

So this case opens up parents to all sorts of legal jeopardy going forward.

If a child commits a crime and a deep crawl is done and they find some sort of violent musings, it could be deemed they have mental health issues which then puts the parents on the hook.

Given parents are not mental health professionals and literally 10s of millions of American children have basically no access to mental health services, this could well become an avenue for victims families to gain criminal redress, whether that is just or not.

It's certainly an interesting case though. I have no doubt some other legal firm will step in and lodge an appeal.

But the point is, or point that was made by legally analysists I watched the other night on one of the cable news channels is they didn't actually break any laws.

Leaving your gun around, gifting your child a gun is not illegal therefore not negligence.

It's the exact same thing if you left you car keys around and the child took it and slaughtered 4 people on purpose or a knife.

The mental health angle was a complete punt.

There is laws around gun access and mental health (although Trump watered these down), but the state have to deem you mentally incompetent by a medical professional.

What the prosecution have basically done in this case is set the bar far higher for parents.

And like I said he never got in trouble in school and his musings were not consistent, they were quite far apart and sporadic, AFAIK. This wasn't a child with a stark history of being a raving looney.

Clearly he was deemed that after the fact, but you are entering the realms of pre crime there.

Now personally I'd jail all parents that left a hand gun around a child.

But for the purposes of debate in what is a conviction based on the law, my opinion is moot.

The gun nuts will just claim its Taylor Swifts fault!

Multiple children among the victims, at least one confirmed death. 3 suspects reportedly detained. There goes the Lone Wolf defense.

Fair play to the police for charging straight into the action.

Livestreams

Got a source for this?

No. It was a fight that ended in a shooting according to statements I read yesterday. Not the start of a civil war, you must be disappointed.

Individuals being arrested in connection with it.They don;t appear to be looking for anyone else.

Half of these shooting don't get reported in this part of the world. There was a shooting on Sunday in one of the biggest churches in the USA, a ~15K all seater arena/church. The shooter was a woman in this case, which is unusual. Looks like the poor lady had mental health issues.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/projects/2024/lakewood-church-shooting-timeline/

No, not disappointed at all. Relieved it's not that to be honest given the potential ramifications of such an event.

However, given the recent rhetoric surrounding Taylor Swift being a government operative to bring down Trump, and that the various conspiracy theories doing the rounds (including that her and Travis Kelce are spawning the Anti-Christ to begin the 1000 year war of Armageddon as one preacher has claimed), it's actually a very plausible position that some lunatics thought it would be a good idea to shoot them up to prevent the death of America. And the fact that such a thing is very plausible, well, why wouldn't a second civil war?

This is America, remember,

It's all over the internet.

https://www.timesnownews.com/world/kansas-city-parade-shooting-suspect-wearing-patrick-mahomes-jersey-photo-surfaces-article-107705369

Apart from timesnow, none of the other links have the image you posted.

When I checked earlier I could only find it on 4chan, twitter ac of a headcase, a BB discussion site, where the posters said that it was from 4chan and a comment under YouTube

Will check again later and see if I get better results

All my 3 guesses were political extremism. And I never claimed to be in Missouri or an investigator. Cry another river.

No motive yet reported by investigators.