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Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread XII (The Byrne Supremacy)

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  • #22952
    Buer
    Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121773939#Comment_121773939

    I would much rather Leinster invest in Frawley as an out and out 12 and Osborne in midfield rather than looking at bringing in Kelly. He'd absolutely be a good signing for a province but Leinster already have the bodies there who are very bit as good.

    I believe Kelly is IQ through his Dublin grandparents though so may not have much of an affinity to go elsewhere.



  • #22953
    Buer
    Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Regarding RB, he is absolutely still first choice for Leinster and has proven himself over and over again. There are few that boss the team as comfortably and effectively as he has done.

    With all that said, that ability is usually honed and developed as opposed to being something guys instantly have. Harry Byrne has had more big game minutes in the last few months than he has done in at any point. I think his late involvement against Leicester (he wasn't due to start until the Thursday) really spoke to his development and he played very well in that game after a very encouraging half against LAR.

    Whilst I believe that RB is the present, if Harry Byrne stays fit and involved in both the Irish and Leinster 23 in the coming months, that gap is going to close.

    The fitness element is a huge question mark though.



  • #22954
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users Posts: 5,545 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121774049#Comment_121774049

    I agree, Ross clearly is out number 1, he managed to get Leinster the European final last season and also was critical to ireland winning a Grand Slam

    Harry could be a better 10 but at this stage he just needs games, so far he has been unlucky this season with head knocks etc but when playing has looked a better 10 to me than Frawley could be

    To me Frawley I would prefer to see at 15, number 1 because we don't really have a backup to Keenan that isn't a winger been swapped over. Number 2 I think he gives Leinster that second play maker which they have wanted since Joey



  • #22955
    Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3
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    Frawley back with Ireland, Henry Mc to start at 15.



  • #22956
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users Posts: 5,545 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Our new second row starting for his current team tonight so a reason to watch :-)



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  • #22957
    Dexter Kind Boar
    Posts: 0 ✭ Dexter Kind Boar


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121774029#Comment_121774029

    That "doom loop" piece from the Bel Tel is the one that was linked in the Ulster thread. I haven't seen any other articles that clarify the situation.



  • #22958
    arsebiscuits1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121774039#Comment_121774039

    Kelly is definitely IQ. He played under20s here. Or he will be IQ at the start of next season at it'll be 3 years since his England cap.

    But I do agree it would be a strange move for him. Lots of 12s dotted around the provinces with a comparable athletic profile to him. Although less with his age profile I guess. Not many 22 year olds here with nearly 75 senior games.

    He might not be getting a look in with England but he's consistently been Leicesters first choice for 4 seasons. I don't see him being the first choice at any of the provinces.



  • #22959
    Dexter Kind Boar
    Posts: 0 ✭ Dexter Kind Boar


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121774825#Comment_121774825

    He signed a new Leicester deal last season so he's most likely still in contract for 24/25. The Prem salary cap is returning to £6.4m in the Summer so they'll have headroom to retain players even if most clubs are losing money.



  • #22960
    Buer
    Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121774825#Comment_121774825

    Oh yeah, I know he's IQ. I was just giving context in terms of how he is qualified i.e. through a Dublin connection. He doesn't have a dad from Limerick or something where he's going to be very interested in moving to Munster because of it or a mother from Belfast etc.



  • #22961
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121774825#Comment_121774825

    Just on that - What are the exact rules around "qualified for another country after stand-down period"

    Can you play for another country as long as you qualify "normally" for them and not via residency or do you have to be "native" as it were.

    So Kelly was born in England and capped by them but qualified for Ireland 20's due to a grandparent - Is that enough for him to revert to Ireland after the stand down?



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  • #22962
    Sangre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,169 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121775028#Comment_121775028

    Switching post standdown only applies if you qualify under (a) and (b) of 8.1 so would apply to Dan Kelly based on what others have said. You can't switch to a new country based on residency.


    8.1 Subject to Regulation 8.2, a Player may only play for the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team, the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team and the senior National Representative Sevens Team of the Union of the country with which the Player has a genuine, close, credible and established national link in which:

    (a) the Player was born; or 

    (b) one parent or grandparent was born; or

    (c) the Player has completed sixty [1] consecutive months of Residence immediately preceding the time of playing; or

    (d) the Player has completed ten years of cumulative Residence preceding the time of playing.



  • #22963
    Clegg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,175 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Osborne and Ross Byrne are back. Henry McErlean makes his debut.

    https://twitter.com/leinsterrugby/status/1758461370306121841?t=DAQL3S2nGPLGYjNUGs1FmA&s=09




  • #22964
    Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3
    Registered Users Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    Leinster Rugby (caps in brackets)


    15. Henry McErlean – St. Michael’s College (0)

    14. Tommy O’Brien – Blackrock College (31)

    13. Liam Turner – Blackrock College (23)

    12. Jamie Osborne – Naas RFC (36)

    11. Rob Russell – Wanderers FC / St. Michael’s College (24)

    10. Ross Byrne – Old Belvedere RFC / St. Michael’s College (201)

    9. Luke McGrath – Old Belvedere RFC / St. Michael’s College (151)

    1. Jack Boyle – Old Wesley RFC / St Michael’s College (9)

    2. Lee Barron – St. Michael’s College / Lansdowne FC (13)

    3. Thomas Clarkson – Wicklow RFC / Blackrock College (33)

    4. Ross Molony – Lansdowne FC / St. Michael’s College (171)

    5. Jason Jenkins – St Alban’s College (29)

    6. Will Connors – North Kildare RFC / Clongowes Wood College (43)

    7. Scott Penny – Lansdowne FC / St. Michael’s College (64) CAPTAIN

    8. Max Deegan – Wanderers FC / St. Michael’s College (105)


    Replacements:


    16. John McKee – Ards RFC (21)

    17. Ed Byrne – Carlow RFC (98)

    18. Michael Ala’alatoa – West Harbour RFC (58)

    19. Brian Deeny – Wexford Wanderers RFC (16)

    20. Rhys Ruddock – South Gower RFC (224)

    21. Ben Murphy – Seapoint Rugby Club / Presentation College, Bray (9)

    22. Sam Prendergast – Newbridge RFC / Newbridge College (10)

    23. Ben Brownlee – Wanderers FC / Blackrock College (4)



  • #22965
    Sangre
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    A spine of experience from 4 - 10 but the rest of the team a mix of young and/or inexperienced.



  • #22966
    leakyboots
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    Has Ross Byrne got 201 Leinster caps already? That's some going



  • #22967
    arsebiscuits1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121775207#Comment_121775207

    No but Luke McGrath has. They mixed up their caps



  • #22968
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    No Milne! That is an indicator that he's leaving, imo.



  • #22969
    arsebiscuits1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121775224#Comment_121775224

    Smart money suggests it yeah. Great chance for Boyle to show us that we wont miss Milne



  • #22970
    Stan27
    Registered Users Posts: 530 ✭✭✭Stan27


    Is Martin maloney injured ?



  • #22971
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,478 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    If he's fit and not in the 23 I'd say he's gone.



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  • #22972
    Clegg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,175 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121775233#Comment_121775233

    I think Boyle already has tbh. Very impressed by his performances this season.



  • #22973
    arsebiscuits1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121775235#Comment_121775235

    Yes and has been all year sadly. Tore his bicep after coming back from a knee injury.

    Doesn't look good for his Leinster prospects



  • #22974
    arsebiscuits1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121775244#Comment_121775244

    Me too. And a lot can happen in a year development with solid game time. But I think it's fair to say that Boyle isn't at Milnes level when he was fit and firing. The end of last season he was absolutely excellent.

    To be expected given the 4 year age gap.

    But Boyle was the highest rated underage prop since Porter for a reason. I'm sure he will come good. Big 18 months coming for him



  • #22975
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Pretty green front row. Hope they get the job done. They've had a long break with some only playing AIL. Osborne and Ross back too, in the nick of time. The backline has some wheels and if they get good ball, they could find some gaps. Good luck to McE.



  • #22976
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121775259#Comment_121775259

    Especially with McCarthy coming up behind him.



  • #22977
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    So if Milne is leaving, does Byrne get another contract? Is Healy going to play another year?



  • #22978
    Clegg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,175 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    The Benneton side is pretty decent considering they've as many players missing as Leinster. They've also a few guys on the bench who played against Ireland last weekend.

    Have to hope that Leinster's strong pack and half backs see them through.



  • #22979
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,714 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


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    Quite a strong team benneton are able to put out without their internationals.


    This could be a close enough game



  • #22980
    durthacht
    Registered Users Posts: 730 ✭✭✭durthacht


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121775296#Comment_121775296

    I'm imagine Byrne isn't on a huge contract so would probably be a relatively cheap insurance policy behind Porter & Boyle regardless of whether Healy stays. I'd be sorry to see Milne leave though.



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  • #22981
    Clegg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,175 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Milne might be a victim of the squad age profile. Porter is only 28 and despite his (overblown) issues at the scrum, I think he's the best loose head in the world. We've an incredibly experienced backup in Healy who is still trucking along. Then there are two young guns in their early 20's looking for game time. He's third choice loose head who might be second choice at best next season, but even then only for a while.

    Jack Boyle and Paddy McCarthy look to be two special prospects. They're very capable in the loose and the former already looks to be a very destructive carrier for a prop.

    McCarthy has only played at u20 level and needs more time to develop physically. But he was excellent at that level as well. Leinster will want to give him every chance to succeed.



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