Deposit return scheme (recycling)

i agree that this scheme will in the long run probably be a so-called "success", but i dont think it will overall be a net positive. between this the sugar tax, the minimum unit pricing on alcohol, the latte tax & other similar schemes the past few years i think it's a bit of a tipping point for most people somewhat amicable to the environmental cause/green politics. the fact that nearly every do-good policy has to punch down in some way (in either time or money) on regular folks instead of the global multinational companies & governments that overwhelming cause the harm.

take one example, if you walked into the confectionary section (and other sections but confectionary is one of the worst) of any shop, you'll notice a huge percent of plastic packaging is nothing more than empty material to take up as much shelf space or to help display/advertise the product. imagine how much plastic would be avoided it companies were told they can't use more than a certain percent needed to package the product? surely stopping plastic the source would be more useful than the majority of environmental policies that get enacted but would involv too much punching up & not enough punishing ordinary people

Went to my local Dunnes last night with a few 2L bottles of Coke (all which have the logo) only to find out that none of the RVM's can take a 2l bottle

was a bit shocked really thought 2l bottles would be common enough but clearly not. asked a member of staff and only thing he could say was that the machines in tesco down the road take the 2l bottles.

“Also, why cant people have a keytag type barcode/app, like a customer loyalty scheme, overall an app based system too, that you can either scan your tag or on phone screen bar or qr code?? and then upload any deposit return to your account?” - This would have been an excellent idea, I may have taken part in this scam if there was an app like a Revolut vault where you could put all of your return money into it and let it accumulate throughout the year, rather than queuing up for a scabby 15/30c with a voucher.

This is the actual law on the matter. They have an obligation to take back all in scope items, the law doesn't say they must use the machines, never mind ones that are too small.

If you're bothered follow up with a manager, if no success there and you're really bothered you could follow up with the council who are the ones charged with prosecuting noncompliant retailers.

Isn’t the EU supposed to be a democracy? Not a dictatorship? Why are they forcing countries to bend to their will?

You don't seem to quite understand what democracy means.

We get to vote on these things. We can also leave, although as our neighbour has shown, life outside is quite ****

Well said, agree 100%

ppl wasting water washing out items that go to green bin, when they are not recycled, just wasting another resource... why bother even putting in black bin, leave it in green sure it aint recycled..

Recently saw panda put green and black bin into same green lorry :)

The whole thing is a joke, as a previous poster pointed out, if manufacturers actually packaged their products more environmentally friendly this would go a very long way to tackling the issue. But instead the public are charged with disposing their waste, TBH we have no option but to buy the way they package..

But this would be way too expensive and hot politically, just easier to charge the public..

We could also decide the RVMs and deposits are just a poor idea for Ireland and instead give each house a can and a bottle bin, use the existing recycling network and keep everyone happy.

I wonder will they update their RVM location map to include whether the machine will take a 2 litre bottle it not. I can't understand how the entry hole couldn't have been standard across the board to accommodate all up to 2 litres.

Except that isn't getting the required return rate, and plenty of people don't know or care how to use recycling bins properly anyway so stuff comes back utterly contaminated.

Shredding.

Optical sorting has trouble identifying squashed bottles in mixed streams; although I never saw it mentioned as a major problem. The container of shredded PET doesn't need to be further sorted.

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Let me say I'm not doubting your bona fides here, but i do know that every RVM manufacturer that is approved on the market tested the major bottles on the market. There is no way that this should be an issue. A Coke 2l is going to be a very volume high return item

Was it that the bottle would not fit or just that it wouldnt scan. After the Re-turn list was updated on about day 3, a pre-DRS scheme 2L shouldnt scan because Coke put new barcodes on pretty much all their DRS range. So basically as it stands now, only the Coke bottles with the DrS logo should scan in the machine.

Thanks and thanks to L1011 as well .

So my next question is , did we all know this ? about not squashing our plastic bottles before putting it in our bin at home ?

Because I would have considered myself good at recycling but I didn't know and no one I asked since knew ( haven't asked out side my imediate circle ) .

The Angry Man or Angry Man Land thing is interesting. Mentioning the environment, EU or targets just doesnt stand up against the insulting and anti consumer implementation of this scheme. Extra work, frustration and higher bin charges for anyone who was already recycling. What a bargain.

However it seems anyone pointing this out must be an anger management basket case.

I'm getting my "recycle bin is full" sign ready and plan to burn these machines out of it so they can no longer house cans.