"Green" policies are destroying this country

Everything must be taken into account when its relevant, not simply the emissions when burning. Coal is deemed better that local peat, even though our local coal was imported from Colombia on ships powered by heavy diesel, then driven in diesel lorries from Dublin to Kerry, everything should be taken into account.

And this

I have a piece of paper with my maths on it for when the Green candidate calls, the same maths I posted on here a few hundred pages back. The greens always focus on direct emissions from burning the fuel, just repeating what their leader tells them, not doing the maths themselves.

No problem with that bit, it is how they come up with the numbers I was querying. If mega-leak disasters like Nord Stream are on the gas side of the equation, did for fairness they include things like coal mine fires on the coal side?

You are right about the greens saying to buy a diesel car in 2009 ( I was one of those hoodwinked ), but I’m almost certain it was Gormley though. Afaik Ryan was unknown then

The Green didn't say to buy a diesel in 2009, time to take some responsibility for your own actions. Changing the car tax system doesn't mean you need to buy a new car, no political party at any stage have told people they have to buy a new car.

Diesel is still a perfect fuel for cars, if the manufacturers didn't lie about the emissions they wouldn't have the stigma it has now

Obviously only I sign for a purchase, while literally Gormley didn’t tell me to buy a diesel car, he fed the public waffle which years later proved to be false.

Why do I think in 15 years, we’ll be hearing something similar about EV’s?

So you bought the car yet are blaming a political party?? I bought cars around that time, not in 2009 because the crash had just happened and we bunkered down to see what would happen, but plenty of petrols and diesels available to choose

Electtic cars are just cars use electric fuels, I have already saved thousands on fuel over the last few years as I bought one many years ago as a run around and back up to my diesel. In 15 years time I will have potentially saved more thousands so the car will have paid for itself and also small service costs compared to a combustion car.

it was my decision to buy an electric and have another diesel car, nothing to do with a political party👍

FYI in 15 years time any electric car bought today will be coming to it's natural end of life, the majority anyway, so talking about what you think will happen in 15 years is totally irrelevant. Im sure technology will have moved on at that stage same as combustion engine cars and over 15 years the engines got better and the older car was obsolete. Standard with any product

So maybe you can explain why you keep repeating the same thing?

Afaik Ryan was Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources in 20098so not exactly an innocent bystander.

November 2009 the Green Party claimed credit for the VRT regime as proof that "green policies do work" (Irish Examiner 6th. November 2009)

After being hoodwinked by dodgy statistics back then when he was a government minister and with him now again being a government minister and leader of the party it doesn`t appear as if he or greens have learned anything from the experience.

But perhaps I am mistaken on that and any day now he will call for the recinding of the policy they threatened to bring down the government on culling cattle if they did not get their way or the claim that burning biomass is carbon neutral both of which were based on dodgy statistics which have now been shown to be incorrect as well.

I won`t be holding my breath on either though after seeing how they sat on their hands while energy supply companies here were claiming that they were selling 100% guaranteed green energy based on Guarantee of Origin Certificates that were not worth the paper they were written on where it took the Advertising Standards Authority of Ireland (ASAI) on foot of a complaint to expose the scam for what it was. And it`s not as if that was an elaborate statistical scam. Even a cursory glance at the figures would have shown anyone who wished to look that the figures were so far off they were farcical.

In the real world today, we couldn’t walk on Howth harbour last week because the waves were continuously coming over the top for a couple of hours either side of high tide, no wind either.

Beach in Portmarnock now has all the bins removed due to repeated flooding at high tide. Dunes are disappearing too.

Please carry on arguing about this party said this and that leader said something else. We’re fucked!

Would you care to point out where my post contains false information, or will I just mark it down to just another of your antics when it come to inconvenient truths that do not suit your narrative ?

No idea where you are getting your public opinions from but it`s certainly not from public opinion polls. The public opinion consistently in those has The Green Party registering within the margin of error.

Considering what the actual plan here is for reaching carbon zero emissions it`s a pretty valid question as to what happens when the wind does not blow. One that neither you nor anyone else to date can give an answer too.

So basically the only answer you have to me asking where according to you I had posted misinformation in my post is wood pellets which I did not even mention.

then contrary to what Ember, a green think tank, research has shown as well as others when it comes to emissions from burning wood, you most likely believe that a sprinking of green magic dust applied before burning negates that.

While greens can claim to not knowing about diesel in 2008 it`s not a claim they can now make as regards wood burning being carbon meutral.

Last time I checked, the title of this thread was ‘green policies are destroying this country’. To me that would indicate all aspects of what they are standing for. That, for me, includes EV’s & wood pellets. It’s obvious to me that doesn’t suit certain pro green lobbyists.

Not sure you are fully correct. Wonder what assurances he is getting from different sectors these days.

Who is the greenest of them all? While holding all others by the ba11s?