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Dairy Calves 2024

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    So where do we stand with exports this year? Are we ploughing on with roughly the same numbers? Couple this with the reduction of bobbying where is our beef trade going to be in 24-30 months time.

    Seamus looks like a man under pressure in that video



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Boat capacity ment to be down to 33% of last years at the minute, the powder sideline could be a way to get some extra revenue in, keep the job ticking over, it's a weird business tactic threatening dairy farmers buy off me our keep your calves, given what they'll likely pay be aswell selling them in the mart with negative bidding then dance to his tune



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,034 ✭✭✭alps


    No one is going to dance to his tune. His business interface with farmer customers is crap. A dog ignorant and couldn't give a phuq attitude.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Thats serious if capacity is only at 33%. That puts approx 120k calves extra in the system. I know suckler calvings are back in numbers, last year they were back by 60k, dairy calvings were up by 20k. Suckler numbers will be back something similar. The big elephant in the room is where will dairy calvings end up. Will it be back on 2023, hold on last year number or dip due to nitrates. Some of the increase in numbers maybe hidden in the decline of sucklers, but age profile won't help this long-term


    As always the calf with good breeding sells and repeat custom is the name of the game. Weight on the hook is dropping big time and how do we collectively halt or improve it. If we don't beef farmers won't rear calves, simples



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    But who will take up his slack of moving calves. Dairy farmers don't want them past 2-4 weeks.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,844 ✭✭✭straight


    He was buying them in our local mart the other day anyway. Don't think he asked what type of milk they drank. Of course he also swears that he doesn't buy in marts either.



  • Registered Users Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Jack98


    He’s always down the limerick/Kerry side in Marts buying every spring, supposed to be fairly arrogant when he comes down too by all accounts



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    The reality is he along with the rest of the calf buying crooks around the counry provide an invaluable service to dairy farmers ,where do you think the 1000 calves in Castleisland ,Gortatlea ,Listowel and Bandon mart disappear to week end week out during the spring



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,656 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves




  • Registered Users Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Jack98


    No doubt he provides an invaluable service to an awful lot but having a bit of manner about himself wouldn’t kill him



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,014 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    He’s down that way because he can’t buy them around his own area he has such a bad reputation. He’s been ran from many a yard


    tried to be the big cock bringing rte in to show how great he is and that backfired on him

    he’ll say it was an outside haulier but he hired him and they were calves they purchased



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,280 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    I doubt the VanDrie group are worried about cmr sales in Ireland. If they were they would have actively competed in the market rather than leaving it to a few calf exporters.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,598 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Plenty of other calf buyers out there without lowering yourself to deal with him. Had a returning customer here this morning bought 12 last year. Looking the same this year. No bullshit, paid before loading



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,656 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    As I posted earlier business is business. It should ever be personal. I never dealt with Seamus and probably never will.

    You are lucky enough to probably be in an area where there are not a substantial number of dairy farms. It different in the South East and especially in North Kerry and West Cork. Every second farm is a dairy farm and in places nearly every farm. There is very little demand for calves especially Friesian calves.

    I have a factory agent who a lot of lads don't like, however he will never fob me off if I think there should be more on the table he be back to me within a couple of hours with a better price or telling me it is what it is. I had a lad before who would leave me hanging and not come back.

    Mauty in Gortalea is what is called a rogue down in Kerry. He is nice, manererly but he will cod you up to your two eyes. Everyone thinks his prices are great, but there must be a reason the dealers go there. If they were getting better value elsewhere they would be going there. I buy a lot of cattle out if there and there is a lot of value there

    Seamus is different probably like my agent. He just calls it as it us from his propective

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    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,844 ✭✭✭straight


    Business is about people, just like your agent. Your network is your net worth.



  • Registered Users Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Jack98


    Put an ad on donedeal for our autumn calves 6 years ago guy came from up the country bought the lot, has came every year since and bought the whole lot each year. Never haggles on the price we ask with us he’s got on very well with them each year. Relationships are vital.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭older by the day


    In fairness I know you say your a great farmer (ever day). But it can get a bit sickening to listen to how people are queuing to buy calf's. There must be a fair scarcity of calves up there.

    In my townland alone there are about five hundred calves born each year, there are twenty townlands in the Parish around skibbereen you could easily say 20000 calves. Calf to beef rearers are getting fewer every year so less demand as most have their land let. So the hagglers and exporters are the only thing keeping taking the surplus.

    Much the same with dry cows, very few Friesian cows went over 1.80/kg yesterday in skibbereen mart



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,598 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Alot of dairy farmers around here but lads will try to find herds were there's no jersey breeding. Getting scarcer now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭weatherbyfoxer


    Amazing how different the calf trade is in different parts of the country.i try do a deal ever year for all my calves from 1 dairy farmer source. The deal that usually is agreed is calves 3 weeks+,groups of 10 and payment as I collect each batch with movement done online that evening. A flat price is agreed for the calves male/female big or small whatever the run is over the amount of calves that I agree to take. But I am increasingly finding that the dairy lads can't honour the deal at all and pull off the bigger angus and Hereford bull calves to sell for an extra 20 euro for lads who want to root out the bigger calves out of the sheds and pay a bit more that I do at the flat rate but leave the smaller calves..Think I'll just buy batches as I see them advertised this year and save getting caught



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,807 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    I watched the calf sale in New Ross Mart today just out of curiosity. BB bulls from FR cows making up to €380, while some FR bull calves went unsold, some went for €5 up to €100 for the nicer ones. Huge amount of calves there. Would prices ne cheaper there than elsewhere or is it much the same everywhere?

    'If I ventured in the slipstream, Between the viaducts of your dream'



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    I am presuming that is the heart of dairying country in south east so supply and demand problem similar to North Kerry and West Cork ,A jobber would take a margin of at least 20 that would add 30 to the price to get the calf up to the midlands



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭limo_100


    What where AA and He bull calves making today?



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,807 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe



    From the few I saw, AA bulls around €150, HE that bit less, but all depends on quality, as you know.

    'If I ventured in the slipstream, Between the viaducts of your dream'



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,222 ✭✭✭Grueller


    You have 2 probablys in there Bass at the end about a man that you obviously don't know. Why argue the toss over a lad 200+ kms away that anyone on here with experience of him are all of the one opinion?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭limo_100


    Seems very reasonable but I would have expected the HE to be dearer than than the AA



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,807 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    I didn't see enough of them selling to give a true picture. New Ross don't have a Catalogue of the prices up on LSL, unusual.

    'If I ventured in the slipstream, Between the viaducts of your dream'



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭weatherbyfoxer


    Watch it on and off between the showers here.Good value in all bar the big 70kg+ calves and Continental types..150-200 per head would have filled a few pens in a calf shed with nice Angus and Hereford calves



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,259 ✭✭✭green daries


    Going to be a pile of aa he calves exported this year cos there will be a lot less fr bulls around



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,259 ✭✭✭green daries


    Just added up 8 lads in my area who got out of sucklers last autumn from 12 to 30 cow men probably the area of two parishes.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,040 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    Seamus is a very long time in the business and has grown it into a family business, Seamus manner might not be to everyone liking and have encountered him in bad humour on several occasions over the years, but the fact is the dairy and beef industry needs calves to be shipped out of the country full stop, what is the alternative keep everything in the country collapsing the beef trade and getting a extra derogation for these calves. The shipping game is weather related and is a total headache if boats don’t sail or allow lorries on when it suits them. A calf has a value full stop and if a dealer buys he has to get a margin and the calf feeders have to get the same, we use to buy calves off a neighbour who kept increasing the prices to the locals till his trade died and he had to go to the mart where he didn’t get on as well and soon opened his eyes to the local trade he had lost, my late father and myself have bought calves off Scallons for forty years and have fell out with Seamus and have gone back to buy again, he always gets the type of calf we have looked for over that period, as Bass said about Mauty he is a bit of a rogue and we can’t say anything wrong about the dealings in his mart. Not everybody likes red wine but some do and everyone to their own.



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