Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

Unfortunately, you'll get this many times over on this thread from my experience.

Some of the posters twisting many comments for a gotcha yea quote and completely derail your comment and thread. They won't debate the huge points we're facing with the cost financially and socially. Like the latest of many stories, the biggest hotel in Drogheda town been handed 13 million per year for 500 new arrivals while the locals have a major hotel in a town of 65k been taken off the market.

https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2024/0217/1432884-drogheda-hotel/

Leo V explains above - ""Migration is a very sensitive issue," he said. "Migration brings out the best in some people - people who take refugees into their homes, people who welcome refugees into their schools and into their clubs and into their communities. “It also brings out the worst in some people, with hatred and anger and racism, and I'm very conscious of that.""

It's as emotional blackmailing as possible, "migration brings out the best in some people" but should you have concerns or objections to this "it'll bring out the worst with anger and racism".

Leo is an EU federalist in and out, a poster boy for the EU. He'll be eying up the best EU jobs available in the coming years, while sailing away with the best of pensions has to offer as the country will be gripping with an immigration mess. He's self-serving for his own interests and FG, I've absolutely no trust or promise for his interest in Ireland.

The pensions debate, pre famine population etc. etc.… all nonsense. The German finance minister only recently visiting Dublin warning about welfare immigration but some posters calming the finance minister in a far-right party and his comments aren't balanced.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2024/02/13/solution-to-immigration-challenge-is-tighter-controls-german-finance-minister-tells-dublin/

Ireland is the EU, not under its control. We are a member state and every Irish citizen is an EU citizen. The idea of the EU being a 'foreign organisation' would be missing the whole point of being in a union.

Leo's an EU federalist...

Hmmmm, weren't you the poster calling for an EU Border Force to implement your policies a few pages back?

https://www.facebook.com/TheIrishPost/videos/20-year-old-leo-varadkar-1999/10157472016123452/

"I'd certainty like to see us integrate more with Europe" , "I'll probably be a federalist on European issues"

"Hmmmm, weren't you the poster calling for an EU Border Force to implement your policies a few pages back?"

Yes I did, I've no problem with a European task force enforcing the borders, absolutely no problem with that. More said "my stance" rather than polices on helping and or assist with the immigration issues.

I think when Varadkar talks about immigration bringing out the best and worst in people it is unhelpful.

It’s not that he’s entirely wrong. But there is a national conversation underway about it and trying to bring emotion into it is unwise. He’s also isolating people who don’t agree with him when he uses that kind of language.

i think it’s time for the media to quiz the Government about a long term approach. Keeping IPAs and Ukrainians in hotels long term isn’t good for them or for the communities.

And that message from Helen McEntee the other day saying protestors are somehow complicit by paving the way for the arsonists was a disgrace.

The only people whose policies and actions have resulted in arson the last 2 years are Leo Varadkar, Helen McEntee and Roderic O'Gorman. And that is still true while not in any way condoning the act of arson.

Fergus Finley was wondering the other night on VM1 would we be able to take in 100 k from Gaza.

Had to rewind it to make sure I heard it correctly.

I've seen several anti-immigration posters on here claiming that their candidates and spokespeople aren't getting their voices heard in the media.

I think they, and especially their 'solutions', need to have the spotlight shone right on them.

The more I learn about this topic I see that wealthy and powerful countries such as the UK, US and Australia have struggled to enforce deportations, because of countries refusing to accept deportees, or the difficulty of ascertaining where people are from.

These failures have then led to attempts at indefinite detention (US, Australia and Denmark) or offshore centres (UK, Australia).

I don't think the Irish public really wants any of these harder solutions, whether because of cost or the inhumanity involved. Neither, I think do we want the huge cost of hardening our sea borders, or the cost and complexity of enforcing border control with NI

I think we need to bring this debate right out in public. Deportations, asylum caps, and 'turning people back at the border' sound like easy solutions but I think people need to know what going down this path really looks like.

The problem with people like Holly and Eamon Ryan is that they would say the exact same thing if there were three times as many immigrants coming.

They shouldn’t be taken seriously because they are being led by what they would like to be true rather than what is true.

But that kind of talk has run out of road. There are genuine issues of capacity.

People across Europe are turning away from previously political movements that won’t at least face reality. This is happening at a time when the economy is strong. It’ll only accelerate when things inevitably turn. Interesting times, unfortunately.

In fairness married people were able to get hold of at least johnnies 40 years ago and almost 40 years ago, 1985 that was extended to unmarried people. I think it is mainly cost and the precariousness of life for those starting out that is keeping the birthrate down today.

Poster already has firm for posting false reports. This is a Wikipedia page with no links to actual German police statistics.

The information is not only misinterpreted, it is false.

There is no information after 2018 in the (false) page.

But we have controls.

The EU have Frontex, which I posted about earlier. Ireland control their own borders, we are not even in schengen.

So what other controls do you want?

Would ya stop! Different world.

My friend was in a mother and baby home in the 1990s. That was the reality. Some of us in Dublin could get our hands on condoms. The rest of the country? Not so much!