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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,602 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    No not at all, please don’t mix me up with a Russian bot apologist.


    I am more emphasising the point that Putin is going nowhere regardless of whether the people of Russia ever do turn on him so I doubt he cares about victories before an election etc as he will never hold a legitimate one anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭wandererz




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    I find it saddening amongst aquantances and others here in Ireland during discussions re Russia invasion of Ukraine how sort of indifferent, disinterested they are about it. It seems to be a distance thing. We are far away over here, an Island off the west coast of Europe .. shur why would anybody attack us and shur we are neutral. It will never effect us.

    I find it incredible actually. Seems to be far more interest in whats happening in Gazza vs a war raging on our continent. A large disconnect. A few do ask - Oh yeah the war in Ukraine, when will it be over and when will the Ukrainians here go home?

    All are unaware of whats going on on the ground and the difficulties that now are happening re arming Ukraine + Russian advances though small. They just never seem to have understood the huge real danger in all of this for all of us inc Ireland and not just Ukraine. And how fast this could unravel, especially in 2024/25



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,429 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Yeah the notion that this guy would then start giving Ukraine lots of arms is a big lie, just fake news to dupe people who want to be lied to.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Lets go slightly down the rabbit hole. I previously mentioned delays with F16s and the like, asking why. Then we have the hold ups in the USA. Now here is another albeit smaller delay example:

    "The delivery of 100 Bulgarian armored personnel carriers to Ukraine has been delayed as the Bulgarian Defense Ministry asks NATO to cover the transport costs, Euractiv reported on Feb. 20, citing Bulgarian lawmakers and officials."

    Part of me is entertaining that there are forces in the background in the WEST, EU and NATO etc that actually want UKRAINE to fail and for Russia to win the day? I have been in discussions with some where the attitude is, Ukraine cannot win this war, Russia is the superpower here, too big to fail. And in certain corridors in Europe some may want Ukraine to fail, russia to win as it may hold off Russia attack on Europe "Proper" for another good while ( Appease )

    Anyway there is your rabbit in the hole ..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,668 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    I think they're afraid of "what happens next" if Russia does lose, a fractured Russia led by different factions (warlords?) Could be a very bad result for all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    They don't want Ukraine to fail they just want this war to drag out as long as possible. They'd rather Ukraine win after 6 year's of fighting instead of 3 as it inflicts way more damage on Russia and cripples them economically for longer.


    Sad to say here but if the west we're really all in they're would be 100 more HIMARS, 200 Ukrainian pilot's already flying F35's, hundreds more artillery, Taurus, ATACMs, American attack heli's and a thousand of Abrams and Leopards.

    Instead they'll drip feed weapons and the rate will depend on how well Ukraine is doing. At the very least with full support Ukraine would have retaken the south by now and cut off Crimea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,356 ✭✭✭rogber


    Irish people, particularly on the left, feel strongly about the Palestinian cause because of some simplistic idea that Palestine=Ireland and Israel=Great Britain.

    Also it's still fresher. Ukraine is old news now, no longer a "sexy" story, despite all the suffering little has changed in the last year. Middle East will get stale too as soon as spring and good weather comes and people start planning their holidays.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭victor8600


    I feel sorry for this guy, but his behaviour after the defection was stupid. He should have stayed in Ukraine, or else severed all contacts which could have used to find him and hid in the US or somewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,605 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I think the longevity of a war in an over consumption of the current media age tends to dull people to these conflicts. Personally, I'm constantly horrified by the war and how people shout Russian propaganda from the rooftops but equally, I have to dull my senses somewhat cause it's a lot.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,739 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Is there any logic to thinking that Putin has convinced countries to scale back support or he'll cripple infrastructure by snapping the sea cables or anything like that? He has a hold of some sort over many countries, including our own here with the 15 staff still in Orwell road



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,254 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I don't see the train of logic, there. How would Russia winning in Ukraine hold an attack off on Europe 'proper' (Ukraine is as much a European country as Switzerland is)?

    Surely it would be better for Russia to be defeated in Ukraine. If Russia is defeated in Ukraine, they aren't going to have the motivation or materials to attack anywhere else in Europe. I'm struggling to think of examples where a country loses a war and then immediately starts another one out of a desire for revenge (?). Losing a war usually comes out of the rising impossibility of continuing to fight it, so Russia losing in Ukraine would be the best method of ensuring they cannot attack elsewhere in Europe for a few years at least.

    There might be those around Europe who want Russia to win because they very much aspire to Russia's style of government, but there are other more benign political influences which can stymy aid to Ukraine including concerns about being able to effectively patrol their own borders.

    We in Europe are learning, once again, that long periods of peace do not make readiness or willingness for war.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    If Putin had any hold over the EU in terms of infrastructure, it must surely have been strongest via the gas pipelines that had been supplying much of Europe's heating. Seemed like that gabmle didn't work and the EU supported Ukraine regardless - so can't imagine what other card he'd have to play that would be as strong as the gas was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,502 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    Given that Ireland doesn’t really contribute anything of note to Ukraine’s war effort (other than housing refugees) I don’t think people can be too severe on the contributions or lack thereof of other European nations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,356 ✭✭✭rogber




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭zv2


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,356 ✭✭✭rogber


    In what sense was it stupid? He was living under a false name with a new passport in Spain, what else was he supposed to do? One of well over a million Ukrainian refugees in the EU. I'm sure he knew he was a marked man but unless he was posting stuff about himself online I can't see how he could have done much more to protect himself.

    What I wonder is how are Russia secret service agents still wandering freely around Europe murdering people at will? Who's letting them in?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Few thoughts occur:

    1. Interesting to see a few of those drones warning of "low battery", so they're clearly operating on the ragged edge of their range.
    2. You'd wonder why there are no apparent anti-drone defences in those areas considering that was a warehouse full of equipment, and they just sauntered in to give 'em all a big hug. Surely they'd have spotters posted at a minimum?
    3. I'm kinda sick of hearing "zombie" used everywhere these days, though at least here it's vaguely relevant and not, inexplicably, belted out after a try at Ireland rugby matches.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭victor8600



    I have seen rumors that the guy contacted his ex-girlfriend and that's how he was de-anonymized.

    We (EU/UK) are at war with Russia, whether we want to admit it or not. Russia wages a special operation in Europe. They hack computer networks, pay huge bribes to European politicians, gather incriminating materials (kompromat) on EU politicians, and let us not forget, assassinate enemies of Putin abroad with virtual impunity. So far, they kill mostly Russian defectors, but there is nothing stopping them from taking a family of, say, the Finnish prime minister, hostage to force him to do something.

    You are asking how? The EU is a peacenick paradise, a Russian saboteur can avoid capture by stepping over an EU state border. Unless there is an EU taskforce already assembled, the security is on a national level. Besides, any Russian citizen can freely get a visa to visit touristic sites in Madrid and go on a killing spree, if they feel like it, there is nothing to stop them.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭zv2


    More ammo please


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 797 ✭✭✭scottser


    A fractured Russia means a lot of infighting and civil wars - let them kill each other instead of Ukrainians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,668 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    And you think that will only stay within Russian borders?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 797 ✭✭✭scottser


    By and large, and for the time being, yes. The federation members have more beef with each other than they do with Ukraine or the Baltic countries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,668 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Oh I would happily see Putin die tomorrow and peace in the region, my point is Russia is MASSIVE! If you have 10 or 8 or even 5 different factions you also have to remember that this factions will have access to nukes, fallout goes where the weather takes it and doesn't respect borders.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,668 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    1. I never said nuke external countries.

    2. It wouldn't be one country anymore it would be broken up into different regions but possibly always at war with each other.

    3. Warlords tend not to think that far ahead.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,668 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    1. Easy to say when it's not going to happen in your back yard

    2. Just what the world needs, more death.

    3. What if thiers no warlords, just another Putin 2.0 or worse a couple of Putin wannabes who control the country.


    Hopefully Ukraine will hold, Russians finally get rid of Putin and someone more moderate tales over, fùck going back to the cold War days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,668 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    You seem to think I have some sort of liking for Putin or support Russias actions, I can assure you I don't,I'm just spitballing the potential future of the region and wondering "what if".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,668 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Not sure what this is supposed to mean


    I get it that you don’t like Putin 😉


    If you can find a single post of mine praising or supporting Putin I'll happily donate £1000 to the charity of your choice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,580 ✭✭✭jmreire


    It would be a calculated risk but one that he will have no choice in. For all the comments about a 140 million population in Russia, he's currently (and has been for quite a while) suffering from a military manpower shortage. Like Zelensky travelling around the world looking for support in weapons and cash, Putin has been travelling around the world too, looking not only for weapons, but manpower as well. Nepal recently issued a demand to Putin that all Nepalese soldiers that are currently fighting (and dying) in Ukraine be returned to Nepal. And Putin also recently upped the military service age from 51 to 65 contract soldiers, and to 70 for officers. Zelensky is having problems, for sure, but so is Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,580 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Putin is a gangster and has driven a coach and four through the Russian Constitution, but even so, he will have to maintain a veneer of legitimacy to be considered as the right full president of Russia, and this means that he has to hold elections. With out the election (even if it's only a figment) he has absolutely no legitimacy whatsoever, even in Russia, never mind the West.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,580 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I think that Putin has moved heaven and earth to find and kill this guy, in order to send out the signal to any other military officers thinking about doing the same thing, we will track you down no matter where you run to or hide, and we'll kill you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,111 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    So twitter suspended Navalnys widow account for 1 hour and reinstated it. Didn’t state why it was suspended. A bit of a joke.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,580 ✭✭✭jmreire


    You would think that at least, they would have closed the door???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,490 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    Do they? Outside of the North Caucuses and a few of the more distinct Republics, such as Tatarstan, I'm not sure if there's really a strong sense of identity amongst the different federal subjects - at least in comparison with their identity of being Russians first and foremost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,580 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, but all of them have a beef with Moscow!! Strange though it may seem, ethnic Russians are for from popular in the Republics, and what ever disagreements might be ongoing between the clans etc, once Russians appear, the focus turns on them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,490 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,441 ✭✭✭Bobson Dugnutt


    I love these stories. It’s like when Chay Bowes was wandering around a supermarket showing people that he could still buy Fanta in Moscow as if he was trying to justify his decision to move there to become a Putin puppet. The loneliness and oppression eating him up inside.

    Proper schadenfreude.

    Being young is a great advantage, since we see the world from a new perspective and we are not afraid to make radical changes - Greta Thunburg



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,490 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Here's the BS excuse that somebody predicted:




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    8 children n' all. As much schadenfreude as there is to glean from this moron's actions, I feel sorry for the children if any are too young to have made the decision for themselves; they don't deserve that. I mean, they don't deserve to grow up corralled by a religious "patriarch" but destitute in Russia as well? Kinda grim to think about.



  • Registered Users Posts: 768 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Rumors about Russian money behind US politicians coming out. Was it behind the stopping of Ukrainian aid..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,254 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I'm not sure there is a Putin 2.0 in Russia. If there was, they might have successfully dethroned Putin 1.0 by now. Putin has spent a good amount of time and effort eliminating anyone who'd be a strong political opponent and circle has dwindled to sycophants. 'Putin wannabe' is better for the West, imo, because 'wannabe' implies they lack Putin's calibre in the aspects of him they're trying to emulate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 768 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭RedXIV


    Clare and Mick should be getting under a microscope next



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,796 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    The Russian authorities will take the children into care to be raised as Russian and "Russian ways". Now that they've taken the money off the parents and declared them enemies of the state. Wait and see.

    Idiots.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭zv2


    As Gary Kasparov said, they need something like a senate not an autocracy.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭zv2


    In other words we f'ed up, panicked, and unf'ed up as quick as we could.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,490 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    I think that'd be a PR own goal. They don't want to draw attention to the fact they really have stolen Ukrainian children.

    I suspect that these naive idiots may actually get that money back just because of Putin trying to court the Trumpier parts of North America. Whether they'll stick around in Russia in the long term is anyone's guess though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,306 ✭✭✭Widdensushi




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,904 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Not sure if a country that threatens everyone in the world with annihilation cares too much about PR. If you still find people who think Russia would be a great country to move to, that makes those people very, very special.



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