Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

I was well born in the 90s, unfortunately😂😂

Our obligations do not just come from the EU. It's been pointed out and linked many many times, the dishonest ones are the posters who ignore them.

This excuse is getting old, and we can unbind ourselves. It will take some effort and willingness from our government and dail to admit and be prepared to do something about it, but when a convention or treaty becomes detrimental to us we should free ourselves from it. It doesn't matter a bit that we entered it voluntary, when something goes against people of Ireland including existing asylum seekers then our leaders have a duty to do something about it. And that something isn't following the convention blindly. We should be looking at what Israel does, they are doing what is best for their people while giving 2 fingers to any international organisation who had something to say about it, including the UN.

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Our own doctors, nurses, teachers are all leaving because the Irish government under FF/FG will not pay them properly. They also impose an austerity tax on them to work as public sector workers in Ireland (the pension levy). So frankly you have to pay thousands per year to even work as a doctor, nurse, teacher, garda, etc. . . There is absolutely no political will to change this and so they emigrate. FF/FG happy to let them emigrate and replace them with cheaper alternatives from foreign countries, mainly poorer countries from Asia/Africa in the health service.

This makes immigration not only necessary but ESSENTIAL as we literally wouldn't have a health system without those immigrants.

The same approach is now applying in education. Teachers from other countries with no understanding of the Irish language are being given permission to register and teach in schools in Ireland. The fact that Irish is mandatory is no longer an issue and, soon, it won't be to accommodate the influx of immigrants. This will dilute our own culture further.

This is neo-liberalist capitalism at its peak where nation states/cultures are a thing of the past and citizens of the world are your nation.

We better get used to it.

The dishonest ones are the government people who managed to get the Lisbon treaty voted through by negotiating opt outs they were never going to exercise or as suvigirl says were invalid anyway due to the 1951 Geneva convention whereby we have to house everyone who arrives here from anywhere in the world seeking asylum

Yes, excellent post. We had a great chance to build up our infrastructure with this windfall like a metro, more public transport, hospitals etc but apparently we need to look after the rest of the world. Spending 2 billion on a state of the art hospital for our children is a scandal but spending 5.5 billion on on Ukrainians is the least we can do in a year.

Yes. But I'm still not sure what the point is? They don't reach the standard required. And now the government have promised to speed up the process, let's hope they do.

I didn't post 50 links to anything, I posted 2 links to two pieces of legislation.

"But I'm still not sure what the point is? "

Under the European law 2.1 of the Amsterdam treaty we don't need to opt into any asylum quotas under EU law that was my point regarding minsters saying its our "obligation".

Under IPA 15, I've no issues with people who are genuine AS or IP. The government mentioned that 60% arriving here applying under IPA 15 have failed doing so meaning there's only a 40% rate of successful applications.

That's the very point I was making to you last night and now this morning...

"And now the government have promised to speed up the process, let's hope they do."

Speeding up the process means absolutely nothing when people are been asked to self-deport, when they're not self-deporting.

Hence why people are asking what the hell are the government doing with enforcing the border??

You are making that up. There is no provision in law reserved only for Roma to access social welfare.

"But the whole point of self deporting is that they just go. There is an office to assist them in that. The arrangements unit."

They just go, as simply as that ? so people arriving from all over the world that failed under IPA 15 staying here for x amount of time they just go back. See this is not happening hence the reason we're under considerable strain especially when people are seeking legal aid on repealing their claim for IPA and failed and asked to self-deport.

Our Governments way of enforcing the border is by writing a letter to inform people about an unsuccessful claim of IPA or other refugee status.

Under the newstalk article from JAN 2024 above -

"He goes on to state that “people who come to Ireland and apply for International Protection are not illegal immigrants. They have the right to stay here until their application is accepted or refused, in which case a deportation order is issued.

"If they do not leave voluntarily, this is done forcibly," he wrote. "Last year, the speed at which decisions are made was increased considerably, and nearly a thousand deportation orders were issued — the highest ever”.

In Leo Varadkar's own words, “this is misinformation”. Sources within the international protection system have told me that “hardly anyone is deported if their application is rejected. Hundreds of people are ordered to leave the State but do not comply”.

The fact is, when an asylum seeker is given a deportation order, they are asked to self-deport. The Department of Justice does not even collect figures on this, they have no idea how many people self-deport.

Some IPAS accommodation centre managers have even told me they have residents still living in State provided accommodation who have been issued with deportation letters. A letter telling someone to self-deport can hardly be called forcibly removing someone, can it?"

"We don't know that they are definitely gone, but we don't know that they haven't. It's stupid really. But the above unit should have some way to keep track."

Snowball's chance in hell their definitely gone.