Trans Women's Milk Just as good as mothers breast milk - threadbans in OP

These links contain no reference to application in a person born male.

That's from an article I quoted and you also need to go use Google so you can read about what Progestin (not progesterone) is. Get your facts straight.

Giving out to others about your burden of proof does not an argument make.

Just a crumb of context please

Milk nutrition in terms of macro and micronutrients is one thing but there is a lot more to mammals milk.

In the world of dairy, the first milk from cow is seen since forever, as critical for the health of calf. Particularly in relation to immune function.

The importance of mother's milk is seem as vitally important in terms of a healthy gut microbe of baby.

I don't see any study in OP but a reference to a letter and a reference to a study.

For someone to make a claim that milk produced by a male is off the same value as mother's milk would require very substantial evidence. The burden of proof is very much on the person making the claim.

I've searched Google scholar and can't see it.

I last milked a cow in 1992 and up to that date the use of any medicines with milk producing cows was tightly controlled. The EU is a very different food producing environment to the USA.

The thread reads a lot like our old Farage adoring friend. But anyway, given that there are currently approx 700 male to female self-certified people in Ireland, it's not really something that you will likely witness in public that will put you off your dinner / pint / cup of tae etc.

"men excrete milk equal to what a woman excretes after childbirth."

Where did you read that? No "powers that be" wrote that.

Hey you said it not me.

I think it's dangerous to assume people who have issue with this have issue with transgender people and therefore we can simply write it off as transphobia and move on. Naturally transphobic people will use this for their own agenda too.

But, I can't believe that the NHS would come out and say this. Breast milk is so unique, an individual mother produces specific antibodies for their child depending on whether that child is sick or about to be etc.

I believe factory made milk can't replicate that (It can't) and I am of the same view on this.

Sure, Cow and Gate etc can put nutrients in their blend, antibodies and vitamins etc that can adequately feed an infant and provide for their immune system.

What it can't do is for example- if a child is sick but hasn't displayed symptoms yet, saliva from the baby interacts with the mothers body. The mothers body will begin to produce breast milk specifically to combat that illness. Fascinating really. Also, microbial gut bacteria etc.

There is no way lab or factory produced milk can react in advance like that. It will and can provide nutrition to an infant. But how can you say it's as good.

Study on the multifaceted roles of breast milk: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867421002208

Study that breast milk adapts to when a baby is sick and changes it's composition

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4232055/

Again, I'm not arguing that Trans women's breast milk is not capable of sustaining an infant. I just can't believe the NHS have said it's as good as/equal to.

I also think it's dangerous nowadays to agree with something because of this football team type politics. "Well, the transphobic community disagree with it therefore I've no issue with it"

It's okay to question things and criticise where necessary. Look up everything unique about breast milk and draw your own conclusions.

I wouldn't say infant formula is as good as breast milk (but wouldn't judge anyone who uses it) and likewise, I wouldn't say this milk is either. It can't possibly instantly adapt to a baby's requirements. Yes, it will fulfill them. Doesn't make it the same as.

What is a trans woman though?

Let's not take those nasty woke leftist definitions, right? Let's check what a Christian fundamentalist website https://erlc.com/resource-library/articles/what-is-a-man/ says:

The Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood proposed the Danvers Statement (1988) with Wayne Grudem and John Piper editing Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood (1991). While not directly answering our question, the latter work defined manhood. Modifying that definition for our purpose, RBMW’s answer is that a man is a person whose “heart of mature masculinity” is characterized by “a sense of benevolent responsibility to lead, provide for and protect women in ways appropriate to a man’s differing relationships.” This answer stands in conjunction with another modified definition: a woman is a person whose “heart of mature femininity” is characterized by “a freeing disposition to affirm, receive and nurture strength and leadership from worthy men in ways appropriate to a woman’s differing relationships.”

Where is the gender or the sex in this definition? There is none! A person with a "heart of mature femininity", regardless of physical characteristics. I think everyone can unite around this blamelessly platonic definition :)

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Why the obsession with hormones, breastfeeding, top/bottom surgery and puberty blockers which are all essentially based on the physical appearance if that's the definition you'd chose to go with?

Next time our American friend is in Ireland he can go milk your bull and see how that works out for him.

Well, what would give more clicks? A story of a transwoman integrating well into a society, or a sensational story about a theoretical trans wet nurse with huge tits?

Personally, I go with the Christian definition, of course. If the god created a boy who wants to become a woman, it is in the god's plan and it should be followed.

Why did you ask for a definition if you do not care about the definition?

I couldn't care less about your personal definition of a woman but if that is the one you wish to go with you'd be asked to clarify the answer to the question asked.

The issues all occur when no party can accurately back up their opinions.

It was a gotcha headline produced by a number of red-tops and used by the op. I doubt the actual quote exists anywhere.

Can't imagine many men signing up for the sleepless nights, cluster feeding, pumping and dumping , chapped nipples, engorged breasts and mastitis lol. I don't think much of that would feature in many trans women's expectations of what breast feeding is either.

I'm sure in time we'll have people lecturing about how males are just so much better at breastfeeding than us lowly women though