Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

FF/FG never gave skilled Irish citizens abroad a reason to come home because they didn't give a **** that they emigrated in the first place as they have the rest of the world instead to work in the health sector.

It's not that I don't agree with you on the principle of what you're saying here, but I think the EU has been pushing for years to get better co-operation on deportation.

According to this article, https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/recalcitrant-uncooperative-countries-refuse-deportation the EU has been trying for about two decades now, but especially in the last decade, making co-operation contingent with visa schemes, aid etc.

It seems to have only achieved quite minimal success and countries routinely refuse to accept returnees. Sometimes I think with quite legitimate grounds, in that they can't verify that the person is actually their citizen.

After that there's the issue of not being able to determine where a person is from. It might be possible to insist on airlines passing on records of ids, but for those who enter by sea or by NI it won't be.

Plenty here seem to view deportation as quite a straightforward process, in reality it seems to be anything but.

I'd be very wary of political candidates and commentators claim they're just going to 'send people home' etc. It sounds like a bit of populist Brexit promise tbh.

I don't think we agree.

I haven't said at all that EU policies have failed.

Forced deportations are very challenging, that doesn't itself make any other solution better or worse.

Not that you've offered much in the line of solution, beyond 'refuse entry' etc without any kind of explanation on how that would actually happen.

"Is that too much to ask"

I guess you can ask for pie in the sky all you like.

You seemingly recognise that forced deportation is difficult yet it still seems a central part of your "stance"

And you still haven't shown how your entry refusals and caps will be enforced, beyond hoping for an EU border patrol.

"You seemingly recognise that forced deportation is difficult yet it still seems a central part of your "stance"

Difficult when you ask people to self-deport as I mentioned to me its "pie in the sky", it's farcical. So yes it's difficult to deport people when there's many not doing so from receiving a letter to kindly ask to leave here.

My stance would be a center of accommodation facilities (Especially near Dub/Cork Airport) for anyone applying for "IP" or asylum.

• Checks on passenger airplanes for ID/Documentation, especially arriving from safe countries. No ID/Passport, no entry, brought to accommodation facility near the Airport then deported asap. Banned from entering the country for certain amount of years if its blatantly obvious it's for economical reasons.

Having facilities to accommodate people who are awaiting approval on AS/IP should help deport people who fail, which is 60% at this rate.

"And you still haven't shown how your entry refusals and caps will be enforced, beyond hoping for an EU border patrol."

Am not against the EU starting to actually do something like a task force to help with immigration. How is this anything difficult to think or even setup, the EU isn't short of cash.

The USA endures millions of people trying to cross from south to north, a land border of 2 thousand miles mostly deserts causing deaths.

Huge amount of human traffickers are facilitating these migrate routes from many countries from Latin America, how is this comparable to Ireland?

Ireland is completely different, we're a island with thousands arriving calming asylum. We're talking chalk and cheese here.

I would probably be perceived as one of the pro-migration types on here — yet go back to the Covid threads and I argued against lockdown (or at least the length and severity of the one we followed).

I never really felt that I got portrayed as villainous — but then again I wasn't quite on the vilify NPHET / Tony Holohan train. There genuinely were people on "my side" of the debate who were making pretty wild arguments or arguments that lacked balance and fairness.

Bias exists. Group think exists. Confirmation bias exists. But you do have to reflect sometimes on the prospect that, maybe, just maybe, certain peoples' arguments get called out more than others because their arguments are bad. The conspiracy against you might not run as deep as you think.

There will always be idiots commenting buzzwords from both sides of the argument. It's a online forum.

Name calling, been smart and condescending is very much real here.

If there's anything about adding on Policies, challenges and solutions to immigration I'm all ears! I think some poster accounts chatting here are purely focused on derailing the thread and or create drama, that's only my opinion of course.

• Checks on passenger airplanes for ID/Documentation, especially arriving from safe countries. No ID/Passport, no entry, brought to accommodation facility near the Airport then deported asap. Banned from entering the country for certain amount of years if its blatantly obvious it's for economical reasons.

You keep in repeating the same things, even when it is explained to you that it is the law that people claiming asylum, do not need documentation. Obvious why.

Creating a EU border control unit 

we have one, it's called Frontex

I agree.

I lnow there are difficulties

But I do think that those we elect should not give up trying.

It is putting a big strain on EU cohesiveness and support for more liberal migration policies.

And as we can see giving fodder to anti immigration parties around Europe who point to these failures in control as the single biggest problem and reason to vote for them.

"You keep in repeating the same things, even when it is explained to you that it is the law that people claiming asylum, do not need documentation. Obvious why."

I never said that people arriving here without ID/Documentation aren't entitled to enter to claim AS/IP. It's the fact that many times I've giving articles on people destroying their IDs on arrival. Again with many people 60% claiming AS and or IP are been rejected taking x amount of time and been asked to self deport by letter...

Thanks, I'll look more into Frontex. While at the moment we're inundated with AS/IP's that are at current rates at a 60% refusal rate.

"But the fact that 60% are not reaching required levels, proves that the system is working, doesn't it?"

No absolutely not. People that are failing AS status are here for periods of time to process the application hence are still here.

There's a problem between people that are arriving here applying for AS or IP are giving accommodation, supports under IPA 15 but this is taking huge resources like renting out hotels etc... when deportation orders in the form of letters are sent out, we've no whereabouts or enforcement on if that person or persons have left the country.

I agreed with that. Hopefully, now the government have said they are speeding up the process, the length of time will dramatically lessen.

Deportations are a massive issue. Do you have some answers?