Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

This is where you're "hopefully" not been smart saying that, am not and many in the center and center left in politics(that I know have concerns about this) have no confidence on the government speeding up the process. It's ongoing for decades this broken AS system!

When 60% of failed for AS/IP in the thousands are asked to self deport are giving a letter to do so, where and how can our gardai deal with enforcing this. When you allow many people seeking asylum over 60% failed and place these people on their own accord it's there to be exploited. I'd rather a fast track system of centers guarded, with accommodation food and supports that can keep track of every AS/IP applicable then either Yes or No for successful application.

We're so soft at the moment giving people under application for AS/IP to roam around and bingo after months or years sending letters for deportation, Oops where are they ??

Oh right, so even when there are new processes out in place, you're not happy. I'm not sure what you want then?

As for guarded centres? These people are not prisoners, nor should they be treated as such. The IPO has addresses for all applicants. There is no imprisonment without legal reason( charge or conviction of a crime) in this country, nor should there be, unless you're in favour of internment.

It would help if they actually built some social homes and mixed developments.

Doesnt seem that the govt has any appetite for that though, sadly.

If there were no investors, there would be no new homes.

The investors are the only show in town and the only reason we are imcreasing our housing stock.

For double the migration next year dont you know🙄

'Controlled migration' just in respect to asylum claims? Because we have completely uncontrolled migration from the UK and the EU. We also cannot control who chooses to leave.

asylum claims are also admitted by persons from 'safe countries ' I believe they process them within a few months, but there is nothing to stop any of those people from making claims.

If you don't think they are criminals then why would you suggest putting them in 'guarded centres '? Most IPA centres have security as far as I'm aware.

Ye can whinge about housing policy all ye want, but the reality is there isn't a hope of a Government being able to sort out the Irish housing market with the current immigration policies.

And it's not down to illegal immigration or asylum seekers.

Ireland has a pretty small population and a lot of the time has a very strong economy. As a result it's an attractive place for people from Eastern Europe to work. So when times are good here hundreds of thousands of them come over, leading to shortages of housing. When times are bad a lot of them will have few ties and are likely to leave, so property crashes are fairly likely whenever the wider economy is weak.

Again, this is very basic stuff, but some people would call you a racist for saying it.

A country like Ireland could do with arrangements like you get in the States with the green card lottery or like the arrangement for young Irish people going to Canada. Unfortunately this limitless immigration from far larger countries is a disaster for the possibility of long term planning.

The fact that most Eastern Europeans are excellent workers and certainly won't cause trouble is indisputable, but somewhat beside the point when it comes to housing.

But can you see the problem inherent in your post vs your last paragraph?

The thing is that immigration doesn't all just come down to policy — it's also about demand. Policy is the means by which it is administered and policy is driven by the State, but it's demand that sets the bar for opportunity and demand is driven by industry and economic ebbs and flows. Flexible workforces coming and going (as you say) has its downsides, but it also has its upsides for a relatively isolated economy on the edge of Europe to have easy access to human resources.

So bringing in the policy changes you refer to won't necessarily change the demand — and so the workers you refer to in your post are likely to meet the new requirements anyway. So all that's been achieved is more paperwork, more bureaucracy, for a minimal result. You only have to look at Brexit and how the downturn in EU migrants entering the UK has now been compensated (and more) by record high levels of non-EU migrants entering.

Yes, there is no way to know how many will arrive, I have no idea how we could, what would you suggest? Because really the only thing I can think of us leaving the EU and backing out of the CTA, can't imagine either of those being popular.

Not to mention that Britain made a big song and dance about leaving the EU, to 'solve ' their immigration problems, it hasn't worked.

Government caused the worse recession ever.

Government caused the worst Austerity ever.

Government caused the worst housing crisis ever.

I have every faith this government will cause the worst refugee crisis ever and like the great recession the ramifications will be felt 20 years from now.

I'd argue we're even doing it worse then the Scandinavian countries did. We seem to be taking in a higher rate than Sweden ever did and the success rate for applications is off the charts. Considering how many non Ukrainians are dumping their passports it would really make you wonder.

Yeah, less than 4000 last year I believe.

Is anyone on here ever going to acknowledge the exceptional nature of the circumstances in which this spike in refugees has taken place?

Ffs, you'd think that the Irish government just decided one day that refugee policy was going to be changed and this was all the subject of careful deliberate thought. That's the way people go on here — that Ireland just completely out of the blue decided for no apparent reason that it was just going to pursue a policy of taking in 100,000 refugees a pop forevermore.

For the millionth time — the Ukraine conflict led to the largest displacement of people in Europe since the Second World War. That is the scale of what we are talking about here. 6 million people dispersing suddenly across Europe on top of the warp that was already inevitable after the reopening of travel after Covid lockdowns. Even Denmark took in 30,000 people — a country that purports to have a zero refugee policy. Stop acting like there is no context to all this.

I thought we didn't have a high acceptance rate? Were posters here not pointing out that 60% of asylum seekers do not reach the requirements for leave to remain?