Trans Women's Milk Just as good as mothers breast milk - threadbans in OP

It’s not news to anyone that men have nipples, it would be news to a lot of people that males can produce breast milk, and would undoubtedly need further clarification of exactly what anyone making the claim means by that. Without clarification it’s easy to see why someone might be led to believe that they were ever used by males as a means of providing nourishment for their offspring, when that has never been the case. In males they’re simply what’s known as a vestigial trait - literally about as useful as tits on a bull:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_vestigiality

There are numerous reasons people would care as to why it matters when claims are made about men having the capacity to breastfeed, the most obvious one being that it raises the question, as it has done in this thread already, about why they don’t? The most obvious reason as to why people don’t even entertain the notion of men breastfeeding is it’s simply not necessary, apart from the fact that they have no desire to do so. Among other reasons are whether or not it is of any benefit to an infant, or whether it is of any consequence at all whether or not an infant is breastfed.

Sure, there’s plenty of evidence to support the notion that breast is best, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that alternatives to breastfeeding aren’t equally as effective in terms of providing nourishment for infants at least, which is kinda useful to know if an infant is lactose intolerant. They rarely are lactose intolerant, that tends to show up in later life past the weaning stage when most humans develop an intolerance for lactose, but like this article suggests - lactose intolerance has never killed anyone, it’s the symptoms of it which causes dehydration may cause death -

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/famine-and-diseases-likely-drove-europeans-ability-to-digest-milk-180980483/

That’s just focused on the implications of it from an evolutionary perspective, without even touching on the social and cultural aspects which it would be silly to dismiss as inconsequential given that for the vast majority of nursing mothers they are still frowned upon if they are nursing in public or on the job. It’s all well and good for the former NZ Prime Minister to be demonstrating by example, but most women who aren’t in her position simply don’t have the luxury of being able to do so without being scrutinised and treated with contempt.

That’s why it’s understandable that it may stick in their craw when the media makes a big song and dance about male breastfeeding as though they are capable of doing so without the aid of being injected with synthetic hormones which facilitate the process of lactation and production of milk in circumstances where it certainly was never possible to do so without the aid of advances in science, technology and medicine.

Nearly as funny as male cows😂

My signature will indicate why such institutions are doing what they have done over the past few years.

Institutions everywhere in the West are skin suits worn by extreme activists of all the 'Critical' theories.

The issue is never the issue...

Exactly. You mean Assigned male at birth do because all TransWomen are and always have been Women.

Well to be fair, the technology definitely existed decades ago, but we’d probably still have got Jack’s earlier example of a classic conundrum, seeing as he also thought to patent his alternative technological innovation:

Necessity something something the mother of invention 😏

Has anyone a link to the actual letter?

Apparently there are citations to the evidence of the claims, i found one study she refers to which was a transman who was breastfeeding and started to take testosterone. I would like to see the other evidence.

Pro science and pro gender ideology is quite the intellectual tightrope.

You might start with the Cass interim report into the Tavistock if you think gender ideology meeting with "modern" medicine is so wonderful

• We need to know more about the population being referred and outcomes. There has not been routine and consistent data collection, which means it is not possible to accurately track the outcomes and pathways that children and young people take through the service.  
•  There is lack of consensus and open discussion about the nature of gender dysphoria and therefore about the appropriate clinical response. 
•  Because the specialist service has evolved rapidly and organically in response to demand, the clinical approach and overall service design has not been subjected to some of the normal quality controls that are typically applied when new or innovative treatments are introduced.  

What is possible through medicine is not always and often has not been wonderful.

Who "assigns" the sex of a baby at birth? It is feckin obvious, so the sex is observed and identified (that word again), not assigned.

Does that mean that some mad max obstetrician or midwife can say "I am assigning this child female", when in fact due to the bits attached it is male, as everyone else in the room can see.

Words are important.

Science made it possible to perform frontal lobotomies on people with schizophrenia and depression. That doesn't make it ok to have done it on so little evidence that it was actually effective. A sister of JF Kennedy was left completely incapacitated by the surgery, and she was far from alone in that.

Just because something is possible doesn't mean it should be done.

Humanity could be attempting to colonise space or get rid of the thousands of nuclear weapons in the world and work towards lasting Worldwide peace.

Instead we're figuring out how to make men lactate.

And people (to usual suspects) are defending that idea.

This whole gender "assigned at birth" rubbish is part of their belief based ideology. They cannot fight against science based arguments because their "religious" based ideology has no depth, no essence and no credibility, in other words it's all based on feelings, I feel like a woman therefore I am woman, and that's it ....

In reality there are two sexes, Man & Woman, male & female/ with one in a million with a birth defect, yet still either male or female. Sharon Davies is well worth a listen on this subject, as is Maya Forstater.

It still doesn't stop the "assignment" just being a poor imitation of the genuine sex. The whole thing is quite denigrating to both male and females tbh, how could you possibly claim to be a female or male when you have no lived experience of that sex? It's all surface level smoke and mirrors - the core life building blocks of being a man or woman are completely missing.

It gets distilled down to a weak ass imitation of same, bound your chest and wear male clothes now you're a man? Nope. Pump yourself full of hormone blockers, get a few bits removed and put a dress on and now you're female? Nope.

It's a fantasy/delusion, mixed with a level of social contagion, that has somehow been elevated in to this idea that everyone should just forget all biological fact and play along with cos "feelings". The real world (and biology) doesn't work like that and never will.

I think you are missing the point.

You are born male or female (biological sex), you choose to be man or women (gender). Different words, different aspects.

Some aspects of the world (medical treatment, sport, natural conception etc.) relate to biological sex, most others relate to gender.

On the one hand, you cannot deny scientific reality, on the other hand you cannot deny the right to gender identity.

No and I guarantee you haven't either. Don't even pretend for a second that hermaphroditism is any sort of a norm or regular occurrence (it's around 0.05% of all births) so insignificant as to not even enter the point of this discussion.

It’s wrong

simply wrong

against nature

It's a fad

Just because a very small number of people have a fault in their chromosomes (and yes, from a biological perspective it's a fault), doesn't mean that humans aren't a sexually dimorphic species, no more than the fact that some people being born with one leg makes us not bipedal. It's a very different thing than people feeling like they're the opposite sex, and many intersex people don't like being brought into the trans discussion at all.

Gender and sex are not synonymous, that is the mistake that the extremists on both sides make. Whether it is one side insisting that a person born male should be entitled by right to see a gynaecologist or on the other side insisting that a male cannot present as a woman in public, they are both wrong.

Exactly, well said ... like you wouldn't find a calf suckling on a bull.