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A global recession is on the horizon - please read OP for mod warning

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭herbalplants


    Point I was making is this house is in Portlaoise nowhere near a job. Unless you work from home like we do. If he lost tomorrow his job, and got new job in Dublin let's say. Big treck of 3 to 5 days a week to Dublin from Portlaoise.

    A lot of jobs now require 3 days in the office.

    400k would be perfect fine for Dublin not Portlaoise. What jobs are there in Portlaoise to service a mortgage. Plus he is bringing wife and kids over from his homeland which is good but usually women don't work.

    Not long ago, people were handing back their keys to houses in Portlaoise.

    Anyway who cares

    Living the life



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,618 ✭✭✭brickster69


    US PPI the leading indicator for inflation came in higher than expected across the board today. Markets pricing first rate cut for post June now.


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,618 ✭✭✭brickster69


    I wonder what they would do if it started going up again ?


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 696 ✭✭✭greyday




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,618 ✭✭✭brickster69


    More warnings.

    Euroclear CEO has warned that a G7 plan to use Russia’s frozen assets as a backstop to issue debt for Ukraine would pose financial stability risks to Europe.

    " trust in the European capital markets, the trust in euro as a currency substantially affected. "

    It does not sound the best of ideas anymore does it ?


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭DataDude


    Assuming it’s a new build and they get the HTB (30,000) and First Home Loan (80,000). They’ll need a mortgage of €290,000, assuming he hasn’t a penny saved of his own.

    This would require two workers on €36k, or one on €72k. The monthly mortgage payment on a green loan from AIB would be €1,225pm (First Home Loan repayments would add some in 5 years time, by which time inflation will likely have increased their income further).

    You could comfortably service that mortgage on two minimum wage jobs in the local petrol station in Portlaoise.

    No doubt plenty of his colleagues will be paying €2,000+ to rent a 2 bed apartment in Dublin, praying for some sort of house crash to save them and calling that fella a fool for buying so far out. Would make you chuckle.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,618 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Indian exports of diesel now being diverted to Asia due to costs and risk in the Red sea


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    February isn't over and doesn't even look that much lower than January last year....



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,854 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Thread has become nothing but link dumps of little or no relevance.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭SharkMX


    Is this recession still on the Horizon. Its almost 2 years now since the thread started. How many years is the horizon out?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,618 ✭✭✭brickster69


    You need to compare January 2024 with 2023 which is when the oil cap came in.

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 363 ✭✭markw7


    Yet you keep coming back to let everyone know how smart you are with comments like 'a stopped clock' etc.

    The only thing worse in this thread than over-reactions to every little geopolitical/economic incident are the geniuses pointing out the obvious and then creaming themselves/congratulating one another as they're so intelligent.

    Chicken licken, how long is that horizon lads, 28 of the last 5 recessions correctly predicted...



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭SharkMX


    There has to be a point though were something is declared bullsh1t. I think 2 years is very generous, dont you?



  • Registered Users Posts: 363 ✭✭markw7


    Well yeah but this is in ca/imho not the politics or economics forum. The OP had a feeling sh!t was going to hit the fan with everything that was going on in the world and there was a whole bunch of really intelligent people that had a lot to lose who agreed at the time.

    There were people writing articles in this country from around 2003/4 on, that were sounding the alarm with regards to the over-reliance on the building industry in our economy. It took over 4 years for them to be proven right and that only came about because the sub-prime mortgage fiasco came to light in the US which triggered the GFC. Even then you still had people in this country in denial going into 2009 that there would be a soft-landing and we would bounce back quickly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭SharkMX


    You mean feelings that people have all the time? Millions of people have "feelings" things are going to happen every day.

    So are we still after 2 years sitting here with a global recession on the horizon? This thread is the very definition of a stopped clock thread.



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,854 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Go on then, point out when I said anything about stopped clocks.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,388 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ..some of those folks didnt actually just have feelings, but had very solid analysis and data to back their concerns....



  • Registered Users Posts: 363 ✭✭markw7


    Nope, not reading your buinneach for a second time once was more than enough.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,324 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Not to be pedantic but we're in a recession currently in Ireland. As are many large economies around the globe.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,618 ✭✭✭brickster69


    German central bank says it is certain to be in a recession.


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    Yes countries enter recession and we have slow downs etc and that is normal….if you go back and read the first post of this thread it talks about a serious global recession at best (more or less another GFC). And in that regards there have been many claims that this is happening and most of it is from genuinely misunderstanding data or from a misunderstood desire for a recession to validate decisions that people have taken thinking they will be financially better off it happens.

    I have yet to see solid analysis or data that says that we are going to have another recession like the GFC.….So if you have solid analysis or data that says otherwise please share.



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,854 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Put me on ignore then and move on instead of posting diarrhoea yourself.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,324 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    You're either a bull or a bear imo. Nobody bar the very very few spot legitimate mega crashes and asking somebody on boards to give you definitive evidence of the next one is silly.

    Even if by some miracle they did you most likely wouldn't agree with it because you're a bull(from what I've gleaned from your posts).

    So we're all just spit balling here with our own biases dictating our POV.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Was the film The Big Short not about people in real life betting against the market before the financial crash.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,388 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    yes its true, events such as the gfc are rare, and thankfully so, but the disturbing fact is, those that pre warned of its eventuality have been once again sidelined, their opinions largely ignored, yet again, i.e. you cannot run economies primarily on credit created by the global financial system itself, as it generally leads to credit fueled asset bubbles, thankfully thats not currently occurring!

    the accuracy of such a major event simply cannot be predicted, largely due to the complexities of our economies, but you can clearly see whats now occurring across many economies due to these major failings, we ve been experiencing a rapid rise in wealth inequality, which in turn is causing an escalation of serious social and political unrest, the next few years are gonna be clearly extremely unstable, and of course, markets dont function too well with severe instability....

    ...another gfc event may very well be decades away, but none of us can truly have functioning lives with rising wealth inequality, and rising social and political tensions....



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    The claim was that the opinion was backed up by “solid analysis and data” Hence why asked to share it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,618 ✭✭✭brickster69


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,324 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    You asked for impending GFC data analysis. Did that data analysis exist in 05/06? Not in public domain. It would have been opinion pieces mostly.

    I doubt you agreed/believed it in 05/06 and I doubt you'd agree/believe it now.



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