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Dublin - Metrolink (Swords to Charlemont only)

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    #4952
    salmocab
    Registered Users Posts: 11,355 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121792902#Comment_121792902

    It’s well known that this is purely an airport link and nothing else.



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    #4953
    dublincc2
    Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭dublincc2


    This whole thing is a running joke. I’m actually sick of hearing about it. Any line that does eventually get built will be a watered down waste compared to what could’ve been and what should’ve happened.

    The intelligent plan would have been:

    1. Reopen the Harcourt Street railway line and run the DART on it to Bray.
    2. Reopen Broadstone as terminus for all non-Belfast line services. Amiens street returns to being a terminal station.
    3. Run the Green Line on present route between Broadstone and Harcourt Street linking the two stations. That’s the extent of the Green Line.
    4. Get rid of the Loopline bridge and Tara Street. DART Underground from Docklands as planned linking up with Harcourt Street station.
    5. Luas Line to Lucan.
    6. Metro North from the airport but terminating at Harcourt Street instead of Charlemont, allowing for interchange with DART overground and underground lines.
    7. No Metro West or Luas Finglas. Focus on improving bus corridors.

    Of course that would make too much sense, so we are where we are now.



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    #4954
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,998 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121793030#Comment_121793030

    What? Theres plans for multiple stops all along the route and beyond to swords



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    #4955
    bikeman1
    Registered Users Posts: 1,303 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    For the elected representatives making a show of themselves today (as expected), maybe an email advising them of the important points to Metrolink should be emailed.

    Michael McDowell https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/members/member/Michael-McDowell.D.1987-03-10/

    Jim O'Callaghan https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/members/member/Jim-O'Callaghan.D.2016-10-03/



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    #4956
    LambshankRedemption
    Registered Users Posts: 6,443 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121792902#Comment_121792902

    If their misunderstanding is genuine, I suspect it's because they think terminus is synonymous with a park and ride, and that therefore there is no room in Charlemot for a park and ride.

    If the misunderstanding is not genuine, I suspect it's aimed at people who wont be using the underground anyway, but who do rely on taxis, so a headline with "MetroLink will result in less taxis" will help garner people into the anti-Metro Group.



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    #4957
    Hibernicis
    Registered Users Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121792687#Comment_121792687

    Charlemont place is a perfectly adequate and well used taxi set down point serving a number of hotels, large businesses and the Luas stop. I have used it on many occasions over the years. And with further redesign could comfortably hold a taxi rank as well, if that's a genuine concern.

    Post edited by Hibernicis on


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    #4958
    Ronald Binge Redux
    Registered Users Posts: 252 ✭✭Ronald Binge Redux


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121793248#Comment_121793248

    How McDowell is given a platform in the Irish Times to pontificate about rail utterly beats me.



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    #4959
    Hibernicis
    Registered Users Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121793171#Comment_121793171

    It's worth pointing out that McDowell represents one of Ireland's two remaining rotten boroughs. He was very unceremoniously dumped as a Public Representative in 2007 when the electorate of Dublin South-East gave him his marching orders.

    He was the first sitting Tánaiste to lose his seat, and his subsequent departure from politics makes him the "shortest-serving political-party leader in the history of the State". He stated that his time as a public representative was over. (quoted from his Wikipedia entry)

    His departure was all the more ignominious given that he lost out to John Gormley.



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    #4960
    Tileman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭Tileman


    I think we are finished with the crayons and everybody designing their own version of public transport in Dublin. What we have now is the result of years of planning by professionals of connecting our existing infrastructure, connecting to the airport and future possibility of upgrading the south luas green line to sandyford .

    we can’t go back to the drawing board . It’s about standing upto vested interests and getting this built.

    interestingly Ivan yates on his podcast said last week talking to current politicians in fg at John Brutons funneral said the talk is that there will be an election called for October / November. With this time frame would there be enough time to get permission granted and approved by govt. probably not and that’s the greatest danger I believe



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    #4961
    Consonata
    Registered Users Posts: 1,316 ✭✭✭Consonata


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121792802#Comment_121792802

    Try reading the funding documentation behind the project before assuming you know better than chartered civil engineers.



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    #4962
    Consonata
    Registered Users Posts: 1,316 ✭✭✭Consonata


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121793030#Comment_121793030

    You should tell the 120,000 people in Swords that, in fact, their city does not exist.



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    #4963
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users Posts: 13,407 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121793401#Comment_121793401


    Hmmmm. Methinks your sarcasm detector has failed. Though understandable as salmocabs tongue-in-cheek comment is sadly representative of how a good percentage of people view this project.

    Post edited by ArmaniJeanss on


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    #4964
    Consonata
    Registered Users Posts: 1,316 ✭✭✭Consonata


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121793427#Comment_121793427

    Hehe apologies, given the context of the thread I missed this.



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    #4965
    circadian
    Registered Users Posts: 6,950 ✭✭✭circadian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121793401#Comment_121793401

    120k people in Swords?!



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    #4966
    snowstorm445
    Registered Users Posts: 932 ✭✭✭snowstorm445


    No surprise at all that someone of the "closer to Boston than Berlin" school of American-worshipping ex-PDs would object to even the beginnings of public transport use in Ireland. If you left it up to that sort of mindset we'd all be driving ten miles over and back to an out-of-town retail outlet to do all of our shopping, never leaving our house (only plebs live in apartments) without taking the car for a spin. Long-term planning be damned, pedestrians and cyclists are clearly pinkos in disguise.

    Clearly a very spiteful man, politically speaking at least.



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    #4967
    BagofWeed
    Registered Users Posts: 436 ✭✭BagofWeed


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121793317#Comment_121793317

    The man under whose watch as Justice minister saw the poison of Heroin spread to every village and town in the land !

    Jim O'Callaghan is a disgrace. Honestly I can never see the thing being built.

    Personally I would be in favour if the metro extended east from estuary to the Dub-Bel line so southbound passengers can change and access Swords and the airport.



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    #4968
    salmocab
    Registered Users Posts: 11,355 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121793433#Comment_121793433

    Sorry thought it had been obvious



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    #4969
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,518 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121793843#Comment_121793843

    I think posters are getting a bit too exercised over a small number of I'll informed objections that will not amount to anything in the decision making process. It might take a long time for the bord to get through all the minute detail before approving but rest assured, the crap about taxi ranks won't even feature in the analysis. These kind of objections are only considered for moments and then dumped. There are much more complex observations on a project like this



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    #4970
    Consonata
    Registered Users Posts: 1,316 ✭✭✭Consonata


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121793972#Comment_121793972

    I think the real stumbling blocks seem to be the OPW re: SSG and the Trinity objections, if theres anything that will slow this down its these.



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    #4971
    KrisW1001
    Registered Users Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121793747#Comment_121793747

    Agree, but let's not forget: Boston has a metro.

    (Surprisingly, the first underground service in Boston opened 5 years before the first Berlin U-Bahn service...)



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    #4972
    Van.Bosch
    Registered Users Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    While I do not agree with mcDowell and o’Callaghan, I think their argument is that the end points of metro lines tend to be busy. Because it will be so successful people from north of swords will travel to swords to use it. Their logic is people from south of Charlemont will use it and that the area there isn’t appropriate.

    in a way it’s an endorsement of how much demand there is for good PT.



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    #4973
    LambshankRedemption
    Registered Users Posts: 6,443 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121793317#Comment_121793317

    He's a Senator! I am genuflecting as I type this.



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    #4974
    timmyntc
    Registered Users Posts: 7,043 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121794213#Comment_121794213

    Would Jim be happy if it was extended to sandyford instead? Move the terminus sure, problem solved



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    #4975
    Consonata
    Registered Users Posts: 1,316 ✭✭✭Consonata


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121794249#Comment_121794249

    Well McDowell certainly wouldn't be given it would probably mean knocking down his Ranelagh house.



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    #4976
    gjim
    Registered Users Posts: 1,150 ✭✭✭gjim


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121793047#Comment_121793047

    Is this a parody?

    Remove through-running infrastructure which brings commuters into the core and reinstate a bunch of useless 19th century TERMINAL stations on the periphery of the centre?

    This is about the exact opposite of how the best rail commuter systems in the world have developed over the last century - principally by the elimination of terminal commuter stations anywhere near the centre and adding infrastructure to allow through-running.

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    #4977
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,998 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121793972#Comment_121793972

    I disagree considering McDowell was one of the main people behind the scrapping of the entire greenline metro.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121794213#Comment_121794213

    The end point at Charlemont is already a luas station so its busy already, the only people who will use it are those disembarking at charlemont or transferring to the luas, I seriously doubt it will ever be busier than any of the main city centre stops. Also if McDowell hadn't helped in scuppering the entire greenline expansion then the terminus would have been in Sandyford as originally intended and this wouldn't be an issue.



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    #4978
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,518 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Looks like Jim is getting slated on socials as a contrarian even by the general public, not just rail buffs.



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    #4979
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,811 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121794213#Comment_121794213

    They won't be getting a feckin' taxi to do so though, that's a ludicrous scenario, betrays a real "let them eat cake" mindset.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #4980
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,811 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121791928#Comment_121791928

    Here's what he's declared on the register of interests:

    https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/members/registerOfMembersInterests/seanad/2023/2023-02-24_register-of-members-interests-seanad-eireann_en.pdf

    MCDOWELL, Michael

    1. Occupations etc. …….….... Senior Counsel: The Law Library, Distillery Building, Church St., Dublin 7.

    2. Shares etc………………… (i) Shares in unit linked managed fund: Bar of Ireland Retirement Trust Scheme: Pension Fund;

    (ii) Loan note to The Currency: Currency Media Ltd., 3 Pembroke St. Lwr, Dublin 2: Media.

    3. Directorships……………… Nil

    4. Land (including property) … (i) 9 Manders Terrace, Ranelagh, Dublin 6: Family;

    (ii) Charleston Rd., Ranelagh, Dublin 6 (shared interest in open space): Vacant.

    5. Gifts ……………………… Nil

    6. Property supplied or lent or a service supplied …………….. Nil

    7. Travel Facilities ………….. Nil

    8. Remunerated Position ……. Nil

    9. Contracts …………………. Nil

    Doesn't say anything about a rental property. If his family home is affected by a proposal then objections would be fair enough I suppose - is it?

    I suspect Charleston Rd is a possible development site - again I don't know if it would be affected?

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #4981
    Tileman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭Tileman


    At least they got no air time on the nine o clock news to give I’ll informed more negative view points



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