Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

How many Israeli citizens have died since Oct 7th?

This genocidal campaign by Israel has gone well beyond self defence - everyone knows this. The US said it months ago.

With Gaza nothing more than a dust bowl, do you seriously think there is going to be an attack from Hamas? Do you reckon they have a few tasty F35's and Abram's tanks snuggled up in their tunnels?

Best they'd manage I reckon is a couple of Vespas and some well dodgy AK47s - easily taken out by IDF snipers.

Snipers who coincidentally are certainly master marksmen given the practice they've had with nuns, surrendering civilians and even a few sheep.

Which march were you at?

Israel just said the quiet part out loud - they actually never gave a hoot about the hostages - just pure retribution based on hate.

The irony 85 years later is palpable...

Haaretz:

Far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said returning Israeli hostages held by Hamas in Gaza is not the most important objective of the war, adding that statements calling for their release at any cost are "wrong and irresponsible," and that the only way to secure the captives' return was to apply more military pressure on Hamas.

If there is no ceasefire what happens next 1000s of civilian casualties including Israeli hostages civilians are starving Israel needs to have a ceasefire and allow food water and medicine to be given to the civilians that are still alive at this point most of Gaza has been destroyed and left in ruins there's a vote going thru Congress to provide billions in aid to Ukraine it also will give billions in military aid to Israel to continue the war

Biden does not approve of the present Israeli government but seems to be helpless to stop the Idf bombings of civilians or to make them have a temporary ceasefire

The Idf policy seems to be demand that Hamas surrender and hand over all the hostages or else there,ll be an intense military attack of the remaining civilian population

Meanwhile civilians are starving and there's alack of water and basic supplys

No, they are not part of that mindset. This is why I qualified my comment with the term "the general Israeli mindset", which implies that it is the majority of Israelis, but not all, who share that opinion.

I loudly applaud those Israelis, and Jewish people around the world, who are vocal and demonstrating against the current military action. They are obviously not brainwashed into the Zionism mind virus that is responsible for the current atrocities.

Ok, that’s fine. Personally I wouldn’t be a big “lessons from history” man. I think the last 20 years of history is all that really matters and that’s within a given situation: not comparing Ireland in the 17th century to Israel in the 21st. That would be just a personal thing.

We’ll find out anyway where more decades of Palestinian resistance will get them I’m sure. I don’t know how you see it but I see many many more years of war there.

Tune in next week when we hear how one Israeli citizen living in the US is in fear of their life after claiming to have received a whopping 20 robo-caller scam attempts in the last month in an obviously antisemitic campaign of harassment.

One would have to hope that the international community will look back at its failure to stop the current genocide and do more to prevent another one in the future. Eventually, you would have to hope, things will change (if any Palestinian is left living)

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable"

A mere 24 hours ago we had lads telling us that the Palestinians should leave Rafah and head to safer places like Mawasi where they would be safe

Well guess what's happening in Mawasi

It's genocide!

Oh I've observed them. And please don't make up things I didn't say.

You did say it. For anyone who doesn't remember this particularly bizarre attempt at normalising IDF abuses of Palestinians, the discussion was in the context of photos that were posted of the IDF forcing a large group of Palestinian men to kneel on the ground stripped down to their underwear.

Fair enough. I've only seen what's on the BBC/RTE and only probably only a few seconds worth.

What protesters protest about is entirely up to them. I wouldn't judge them on the basis of placards they are carrying, or not carrying, what scarfs they are wearing or not wearing. Its entirely up to them. If they want to carry "Hamas out!" cards, I'd be supportive of that myself. But I wouldn't judge them on what they weren't carrying.

Bear in mind, the news regarding Israel that people are reading/seeing/hearing in the few minutes they have each day is wall to wall about the deaths of Palestinian civilians. That is what they are protesting - protect the innocent. They probably know nothing more about the conflict.

It does not mean they are Hamas supporters though. And they see that there is only one attacking force - the ones with tanks, F16s, soldiers etc is Israel - that's why they call for an Israeli ceasefire. They don't see Hamas fighters running around, in tanks, flying jets and bombing Jerusalem and Tel Aviv.

Die hard pro-Israeli, Pro Palestinian, anti violence/genocide people will be better informed regarding the nuances of this campaign that only get a few seconds airing on the main news - and the understand that Hamas is a terrorist organisation and what they did Oct 7th was abhorrent and utterly condemnable. And Israel is perfectly entitled to go after them.

How Israel goes about that is where the disagreements and polarisation starts.

I doubt very much this incident was anything more than an observable event - the reason it makes Israelis nervous is because that suits them. When there are videos of the Israelis lining up the deck chairs, firing up the barbecue and getting the music on so they can see the slaughter in Gaza, they are most certainly not afraid.

I'd bet the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank feel far less safe.

So, only the US voting against. All others, bar the UK, voted for - UK abstained.

Consensus is getting closer.

Something to be proud of.