Increase in Anti-EV Media Articles

The manufactures didn't volunteer to drop their prices because they were too high.

It was because the competition was undercutting them. The competition is China. Any discussion on EVs that doesn't mention that doesn't really understand the market. However this could be a race to the bottom. Established car manufactures have a supply and repair infrastructure. What happens long term with these products when they are not new.

BYD are in the market and they are tiny penetration, why would VW drop the price because of Chinese market?

I personally wouldn't buy a BYD or any of the other chinese companies popping up because I can see them all going bust in a few years and people lft holding the can

Update, I am talking about Ireland here now WW

There no doubt in my mind that the oil companies are sponsoring a lot of this stuff. Massive money involved for them = massive incentive to generate misinformation, and plenty of money to fund it. And of course A.I. now to generate reems of stories of similar ilk, about 'the man that this happened to', or 'the woman who had to give back her EV', etc, etc, etc. All above board of course 🙄

I saw a fascinating analysis of Toyotas predicament. Most people don't realize that Toyotas main market is infact China who have recently introduced an all new cars have to be EV mandate. Toyota have no viable EV platform so their China market has crashed to virtually zero and no amount of discounting is helping them sell their bad EV platform into China. This means that Toyota on a global scale is facing bankrupcy with their hybrid market been the only segment bolstering the balance sheet - but that will not last. They are a decade or more behind the rest of the manufacturers and all because they played with the dream of hydrogen.

There is a very real possibility that Toyota will be no more in the next few years.

Have to say if a piece completely ignores the issues with the combustion engine it hard not to jump to that conclusion.

In my view, the Fossil Fuel Industry isn’t necessarily underhanded, but rather, it’s the misinformation that often circulates among certain groups. Based on personal observations, it appears that this misinformation is perpetuated by individuals who might not be well-informed or critical thinkers. TikTok indeed plays a role in spreading information, both accurate and misleading. While I hesitate to generalize, it seems that some adults using TikTok may not critically evaluate the content they encounter. There is the “office idiot” who aligns with this misinformation because it suits their narrative. It’s essential to verify information before accepting it as fact. A guy I work with, despite not being the sharpest tool in the shed, believes the TikTok content he shares is genuine news. Unfortunately, misinformation can easily spread through social media platforms. I've noticed sensational stories often omit crucial details. For instance, the claim that Ford is discontinuing EVs in the US or that Tesla has drastically slashed car prices to $15,000 instead of by $15,000. It lacks context and critical analysis. Indeed, we live in a world where fake news proliferates, and platforms like TikTok and Instagram can amplify it. As consumers of information, we must remain vigilant and seek reliable sources.

And therein lies the problem. In the past people could reasonably rely on experts to give them an unbiased view on what was best/worst . Nowadays the media/politicians/so called experts have gone to hell and its all about clicks and popularity contests

And yet people are surprised when the masses haven't a clue what going on in the world. Everyone can't be an expert on everything so increasingly people are going to be less informed or so confused that they'll just follow narrative that suits them best

Merchants of Doubt was published 14 years ago. The Fossil fuel Industry's record on obfuscating, distorting, lying and lobbying has not improved, if anything it's gotten even worse

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchants_of_Doubt

Agreed wouldn’t take one for free.

Polestar is already gone with Volvo pulling out, over priced

You won’t know about the Chinese cars till 5 years +

the motoring landscape will be unrecognisable in 3 to 5 years. dacia, byd etc. will shake things up with cheap EV's. i wouldn't like to be trying to offload a diesel in 5 years time.

old school traders in cars not tuned in to what's to come in the second hand market are going to be in trouble, those that are agile and transition will be a success. same goes for mechanics not moving with the times.

While I think its going that direction, I think you way overestimate how set in their ways Irish people are in general. There is at least one TD in the Dail who's main platform when he was first running was burning turf, and there is plenty of rural people who will burn nothing else.

The majority of people I've told I'm getting an EV think its a bad idea, despite having no experience with them and quoting misinformation about range and battery failure. Doesn't matter if they are wrong, this is general public perception.

I'm sure a few people will change their minds in the next few years but I don't thing the ICE market will be as apocalyptic as you think

I don’t get swayed by dodgy online articles and I approach articles from established media sources with a critical eye, on the topic of EVs.

Im in the market for a second hand EV- I’m grant approved for the home charger and have about 3 months realistically to buy if I want to avail of this.

While we need two cars, we don’t need them all of the time - other car is a diesel - My head is probably wrecked at this stage deciding if an EV is the best way forward right now.

Concerns are mainly around expensive repairs or replacement re battery when out of warranty - I’ll probably have to suck that one up. I know some will say statistically you’ll be fine and I appreciate that. However I know I’ll be stuck with this “second car” for a long time as reselling will be challenging in years to come.

However I do feel prices are still just crazy in the secondhand market- the EV buying thread is testament to that- no real “bargains” out there- i don’t even care about bargains just asking for a reasonable price at this stage 😀

I don’t believe EVs are the panacea to all ills- we will definitely see the cost of electricity rise in years to come for a variety of reasons - but we do need that tipping point where the secondhand market bails in and starts buying up the second hand stock -I just don’t think the prices are commensurate with the concerns right now- buyer “faith” is lacking so it’s up to the industry to respond with reassurances such as free battery extended warranties for example- if the statistics are to be believed around only small levels of battery failure, then this should be a no brainer for the manufacturers to underwrite- 10-12 year battery warranty and I guarantee you, you’ll see a massive instant pick up in the second hand market

Why do you think that about rural Ireland? If anything most people in rural Ireland would have somewhere to charge at home making it easier to get an EV.