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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Gussoe


    If you work 4 days a week, you lose your Job Seekers benefit and generally all ancillary supports. Infact, if you are going to be working any days at all, you have to report and check with the Department to see if you can keep any benefit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Great that we get to pay tens of thousands of euro a year to keep this guy in one of our prisons

    Shouldn’t have been here in the first place, return to Guinea please

    Second violent sexual assault he has committed since arriving here. How enriching for us all



  • Registered Users Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Gussoe


    We should do an asylum barge.

    Keeps the AS safe from the war and persecution they are fleeing.

    Creates an efficient provision of services to them.

    Keeps them out of our housing and labour market.

    Reduces risk of them leaving provision and disappearing among human traffickers.





  • Registered Users Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Gussoe


    Normally refugees that have French go to France or Belgium because having the language of your host country will be a major advantage in your life. Gotta wonder why they chose to come here. Besides, colonial legacies of those 2 imperial countries should not be our burden to carry.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,391 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    You never know, he might train to be a GP in prison….



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Ah no, couldn't be polluting the seas with asylum seekers. I was thinking shipping containers tethered to giant weather balloons and just kind of leave them up there — way up in the sky far away from war — but give them parachutes so they can take their chances at jumping out over their homeland whenever it's safe again.

    But if that's not mental enough we should pay the North to salvage the HMS Argenta and outsource the problem to Belfast Lough.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Less than 8% of those asylum seekers who have transfers actually transferred.

    The number of Nigerians have increased here given that even if they have claimed asylum in the UK they cannot be returned . Ireland returns fewer than those in the EU than it accepts back for asylum .

    https://gript.ie/dublin-iii-regulations/?ct=t(EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_5_17_2022_13_19_COPY_01)



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,170 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    This is an excellent idea.

    Anchor one or as many as required in Dublin Bay. In full view of the movers and shakers living from Dalkey to Malahide.

    Solve several problems in one go: no leakage into the general population, safety for Irish citizens improved, concentrate minds on reducing numbers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Gussoe


    Yes i imagine we could have like 4 of them, and maybe a another barge dedicated to exercise, language classes and little offices where the NGO's can rent for their swindles.

    Could make it go Green to get some buy-in from you know who.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,226 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Sounds a good idea, we’re living up to our “obligations “ to look after everyone who turns up claiming asylum after fleeing war in Algeria,Georgia, Albania etc. They can avail of a safe accommodation while their application is assessed.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,873 ✭✭✭Augme


    What about camps? They could live and work there. They'd be like work camps. Then, for successful asylum seekers we could have a special area where they are allowed live and we could get them to wear a symbol or something that wiuld make them recognisable, that way people would know they've had their asylum application accepted.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,226 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Price is obviously no object for looking after asylum seekers or refugees given that we've allocated 5.5 billion for looking after Ukrainians just for this year.

    Going home last night I listened to the radio discussion on the metro to the airport and how it has been postponed for years for the lack of money although a link could have been done for less than a billion years ago.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,666 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    Sure why wouldn’t they come here, seeing as they get a reduced prison sentence for not speaking English. From the article:

    ”Judge Nolan said the headline sentence was in the region of eight to nine years, “by reason of the violence involved”, having taken into account the maximum penalty available to the court was 10 years.

    Judge Nolan said Bah’s plea of guilty was “late” but “valuable”. He took into account that Bah was an African national who speaks French and as such, would have difficulty in prison because he has little English.

    He jailed Bah for six years.”

    Living here at least 3.5 years, as the attack took place in Sep 2020 (it’s not stated how long he was here at that stage), and still can’t speak English. I guess there’s no incentive to learn.

    Also, this is the second time here in recent weeks someone has posted a link where the judge has handed down a reduced sentence for the guilty party as they don’t speak English, as they would have a hard time in prison. You’d wonder are they being coached by their legal team to claim to not speak the language?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 739 ✭✭✭aziz


    Should add on a extra 3 years if they can’t speak English,give them plenty of time to learn



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,170 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Well they could work the barge - there'd be a lot of cleaning and stuff to be done. Your idea about a probation period has merit too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Delete



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,377 ✭✭✭tom23


    the judge in question is the problem.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    One of our largest indigenous industries, took decades to grow and develop, thousands of jobs involved

    Torched, in the space of a couple of years, at the alter of sanctimonious dopes who think showing everyone how morally superior they are is more important than the practical needs of the country



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,277 ✭✭✭bloopy


    This guy, or some other representative, was on Newstalk this morning.

    Said that estimated loss to the country this year due to reduction in tourism accommodation will be in the realm of 1.1bn euro.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,130 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    If they were morally superior theyd do it for free. Dont dont give a shite either way. Just the money



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    1.1bn loss…5.5bn set aside for the Ukrainians this year

    Fùcking crazy we never got Metrolink built with the cash we’re willing to throw around on other things

    Could build tens and tens of thousands of houses for all that



  • Registered Users Posts: 285 ✭✭smallbeef


    At some point in the near future our books won't balance. That is a fact. Government spending has increased by over 50% since 2019. At the same time indigenous enterprises like tourism has been thrown to the wolves. Its completely unsustainable.

    Lets play this great humanitarian effort forward a couple of years.

    How will people feel about us paying 6bn+ a year on IPA's when we are losing jobs, paying higher taxes, public services axed, we have been there before and it ain't pretty. The moment that happens the public's attitude to migrants will sour overnight. Newly formed Right-wing parties will form a government (some WILL be far-right nut-jobs). All these migrants in The D Hotel etc will be turfed out on the street because our future right-wing government won't have the money to pay 13m a year for it, and at this point the public will resent migrants anyway. So we have tens of thousands of migrants on our streets scrapping for services. Obviously some will resort to crime. How can you blame them. Was this the great life you had planned for them?

    So those thinking you are helping immigrants today by a corrupt and unsustainable overloading of a broken system are very mistaken. We could have sustainably taken 5-10k IPA's a year for the next 20+ years with proper planning and infrastructure in place (Capital expenditure, not current expenditure by government). These could be integrated into our society while maintaining a positive attitude to immigration.

    So over the course of your petty little lives (you know who you are on this thread) you could have actually helped 100's of thousands of IPA's integrate successfully in this country, but instead you push for unsustainable 'bring them first, sort the issues later' approach which will result in far fewer successfully integrated IPA's and a right-wing country for years. Good work! At that point you'll be over immigrants anyway and you'll be campaigning the next big thing whatever that will be.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭Packrat


    A truly great post @smallbeef .

    Bookmark this one folks - it's coming as sure as night follows day.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,170 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Heard Failte Ireland CEO on this morning - he was gung ho about tourism in Dublin and wealthy yanks coming to visit. But more or less admitted that elsewhere both domestic and international tourism is badly damaged. Something about compensation for businesses affected - message must be finally getting through with elections looming.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭Packrat


    I caught the end of that and was wondering which gov mouthpiece I was listening to when they identified him!

    No problem for 'attractions' apparently, they'll be compensated for being empty.

    I'd like to read the terms and conditions of that application....

    Clearly he's a political appointee as he didn't seem to see any problem bar that "Dublin needs more hotels"

    The whole stinking lot of insider Ireland, PS, Gov, Businesses, Media, - they're all in lockstep - the Cnnts.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,302 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Great post - I'd agree.

    It's scary how much unsustainable spending is being propped up by the FDI sector. If that golden goose ever takes flight, we are fcuked.

    This Government has done nothing to support Irish indigenous industries, they have just spunked away, what is in effect, an FDI windfall-tax on whatever the social-media 'cause du jour' happens to be. A few years ago it was Covid-theatre and now it's refugees.

    The billions lost to this showboating could have transformed Irish society for future generations. Imagine the investments in Health, Housing, Transport and Education which could have been made with the billions being frittered away.

    The worst thing is, the only viable alternatives to this Government will likely be far worse.

    I think we, and our kids, are facing into a very bleak future.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,170 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I agree - every generation has it's challenges but I think it's fair to say that anyone born mid 1990s on has had a raw deal in many ways. And studies will look back and lament the inexorable changes brought on Irish society which have been developing and then ratcheted up post Covid. Shame on us for allowing it to happen I suppose.



  • Registered Users Posts: 532 ✭✭✭ECookie13


    Great post. There was a very similar, thoroughly thought out and reasoned post on that weird little forum reddit Ireland and the comments were mind-boggling. The deflection and name-calling was atrocious.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,649 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    I was one of the lucky folks to have finished school in the 1990's and there were plenty of jobs especially in the Tech sector usually call centre roles but it was a start and a great start of a lot of us from which we were able to move into other positions and grow. I always thought that we would kick on from FDI and build as you say our own indigenous companies that would then make us less dependent on the FDI companies but as you say we seemed to have stifled indigenous companies and we seem more dependent on these companies now than ever.



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