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Gript-A source of misinformation. **Read OP before posting**

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    Hahah **** me that is from their website😂😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,858 ✭✭✭growleaves


    @NoMoreDonegalTuesdays Here is an example of subversion direct from the Russia-China axis to your brain:

    "Fine Gael councillor letting investment property on Airbnb – despite failed planning application"

    Hm yeah I could see how that would bring down civillisation...

    "There's a market for a left leaning publications and occasionally Village and The Phoenix can produce worthwhile stuff but too often their judgements are way off"

    Too often the Government's judgement is way off. Which is why I'd like to read third party opinions and even unusual perspectives sometimes.

    Not to mention that boards.ie itself fulfills this role too, in a much more minor way.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭Shoog


    I used to watch InfoWars until I realized it was seriously damaging my health.



  • Registered Users Posts: 394 ✭✭KevMayo88


    Careful now- drinking from that mug could be a hate crime according to Helen McEntee.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,101 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I would be more concerned about the type of mug that would buy that mug.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 34,811 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Critical thinking is not a feature of a religion-dominated education system such as ours.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 394 ✭✭KevMayo88


    My friend has a coffee container that says "Leftist Tears".



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,811 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    So the more lies the better as far as you're concerned? Ends justify the means and all that, eh.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,269 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It's rare that any serious journalist, or historian or just common or garden writer would commit to print with just a single flimsy source as the thrust of their piece, especially when the possibility of putting someone in danger is a very real outcome. FFS, there's posters on here that wouldn't hit the "Post Comment" button without checking out a couple of things out first, merely on the basis that they don't want to be shown up.

    The fact that these arseholes published their wind up shite on the basis of some really dodgy "source" just shows them up for the amateur hour they are.

    I hope they get taken to the cleaners.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,649 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    And do you think RTE have never made that mistake or the Indo or The Irish Times?



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,430 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    There is absolutely no valid definition of 'leftist' that could possibly apply to any mainstream Irish media outlet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,811 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    G'way with that, stirring up racial hatred at every opportunity is certainly far-right.

    The PDs were social liberals. I think Renua or Aontu is what you're after, but the electorate didn't agree

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 394 ✭✭KevMayo88


    Check out a little website called The Journal.ie. It will open your eyes.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,430 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    I'd consider The Journal centre-left rather than a Jacobin-like, but of the traditional mainstream media outlets - Irish Times, RTE, Independent, Newstalk, Virgin Media etc... - I'd call them all somewhere on the neutral to centre-right scale. Hardly a raging leftist media landscape by any definition.



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,811 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    It's not independent, it's a personal fiefdom bankrolled by an unhinged tech bro.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,101 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭NoMoreDonegalTuesdays


    Look at overarching narratives that both Gript and The Ditch spin, look at their connections, and you can see who their true paymasters are.

    Gript is Youth Defence, which means it's the far right, an agent of the christofascist American far right and the far right throughout Europe. John McGuirk has got the Israeli government guided tour. The far right in Ireland supports Israel and its genocide. What Israel is doing now is a wet dream for them.

    The Ditch was started by a man who is now a literal Russian agent and employs a former Chinese state media agent. Paddy Cosgrave's political affiliations are very dubious. He's effectively a spokesperson for Qatar now. He has very warm words for China. He appears to believe that anybody who has good relations with the US means is automatically imperialist and that anybody who hates the US is automatically "anti-imperialist". Which is nonsense. These child-like narratives don't come out of the blue.

    Both Gript and The Ditch are chaos agents promoting sloganeering, child like, cold war views of the world. They attempt to destroy all nuance, all context in favour of simplistic bollocks.

    That means they're effectively on the same side, attempting to work as a cartel while providing the illusion that they oppose each other. It's about creating mindless "tribes" who see no need for critical faculties.



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,811 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Outside of the Boards bubble, The Journal is a pretty niche outlet.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,858 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Fr Kevin Reynolds RTÉ defamation case from 2011 springs to mind.

    Nonetheless Gript is a limited amateurish webzine-style outlet to begin with. So when they are sloppy and mess up it seems to confirm that they are in over their head. Perhaps that's unfair but that's the reality of it imo.



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,811 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    They have although not (afaik) to the extent of credible and immediate death threats to a person.

    They have been held accountable in court for mistakes, yes, every media outlet that isn't just some recently established rich arsehole's plaything has been.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭NoMoreDonegalTuesdays


    The Ditch was started by Chay Bowes. Chay Bowes is as "left wing" as Donald Trump.

    Neither Gript or The Ditch are "independent" media. And they're not journalism. They're crap, lowest common denominator chaos agent blogs set up to serve foreign paymasters. They're active measures against Ireland.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    They have made such mistakes and it's cost them a couple of hundred grand. On top of that, the people responsible had to resign. These days, I'm guessing most publications including rte run any claims like this through legal before publishing. Doubt if it even makes it to legal if it's based on a single source.


    If you want to behave like a media outlet, then you adhere to the expected standards. If you fail to, it's gonna end up costing lots of money.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,858 ✭✭✭growleaves


    All media outlets should have defamation insurance anyway.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,649 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    There is no independent media, all the media outlets are owned by someone or company and all have agenda's. Then the journalists/reporters in those media companies again have links and agendas or are looking for something. So who is truly independent?



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,269 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    There's a huge difference between a mistake and dangerous propaganda designed to rile up the simple minded so you can make a quick buck off of them. The likes of Gript are nowhere near to being RTE or the Indo or the Times. They are a money making racket that publishes deliberate and reckless opinion pieces that will only appeal to people that already harbour those opinions and who want to see them "validated" in print form.

    Gript is a propaganda organ, nothing more, and the likes of McGuirk and his cronies are simple peddlers looking to provide a certain audience with a salve. It's no accident that their output is extremely one note and that they carefully survey readers opinions so they can further tailor that output.

    Gript certainly isn't news of any kind and we need less of that noise because it just muddies the water.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,649 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    So you are saying it is OK for the likes of RTE and other MSM to be wrong but not Gript?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,649 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    And that is as it should be, if they make a mistake then they pay for it but then to just dismiss everything because of that mistake is wrong when as you have said other media outlets have made the same mistakes and paid for it. Should RTE be allowed hold presidential debates after the infamous incident with the comment sent into a debate and was read out and changed the course of that election?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭Shoog


    One of the most worrying aspects of all this is the right wing realised they cannot win arguments based on evidence so they formulated a strategy of attaching experts and disparaging impartial evidence.

    The reality is that when evidence is presented to the public they reject right wing arguments in favour of socially progressive policies.

    The only way the right gets over this inconvenient fact is to promote fear and ultimately dismantle the democratic mechanisms which consistently reject them

    Hence when the Republicans ultimately select Trump as their candidate they have guaranteed that they will lose the next election because the support of aged CT's is not a foundation to build a majority (even when the electoral collage gives them a significant advantage).

    The same logic will again see the putitative fasc element crash and burn in Ireland.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,858 ✭✭✭growleaves


    The traditional definition of independent media has meant free from the influence of Government and large corporate interests. You or I could register a new corporation tomorrow but that wouldn't autmatically put us on a par with the CEOs of large multinationals.

    Here is what some members of the Irish Times Trust did in a former life:

    Former head of the Northern Ireland Civil Service

    Former Secretary General of the European Commission

    A bunch of people in a little office with a second-hand printing press and a few PCs are not in the same league. They're not beholden to a web of connections in the same way as ex-Ministers are, hence they are independent.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 22,419 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Its not 'Middle of the road' it's reactionary right wing anti immigrant propaganda.

    If you think this is the middle of the road, then you're political compass is so far to the right that you probably think the Irish times is a nakedly socialist publication



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