Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

My children returning is not "migration" . Take a hike!

Given the scale of the in-migration, and the ubiquitous propaganda associated with it, accepting it amounts to deliberate policy - albeit that may be purely passive on some people's part.

When you are talking about 1% increase of the total population year-on-year over several years and with no plans to slown down or stop that is akin to something like the population movements in Europe after 400AD. It is a major transformation. Especially if it just goes on and on. (And the pro- propaganda around this issue aims to shut down thought and doesn't allow for practical compromises.)

The dramatic emigration from Ireland in the 1950s and 1980s (and '08-'13) rightly or wrongly served as a safety valve, as under-population has some benefits for the population left behind. But we can't and shouldn't depend upon economic crashes and economic freezes to partially solve social, economic and infrastructural problems.*

Given like I said, the propaganda, the attempts to shouts down any opposition or even discussion with emotive accusations, there are clearly people who (deniably) favour population growth. They strive to keep entry to the country wide open all the time to allow large movements of people enter then claim that it just happens that there are huge in-flows.

This will of course change the demographics of the country hugely and also the dynamics of how people relate to each other. I think we could get Latin American-style class dynamics. Indeed that may even be the point for many pro-immigration supporters (asset owners, at least). There are cases before the WRC, and stories dug up by e.g. Irish Times journalists, of dirt poor foreigners being underpaid within Ireland right now.

*In other words, we can't admit huge in-flows of people and tell ourselves "Don't worry, if we're bringing in too many people now we can always crash the economy later and they will leave again." That would be (collectively) self-destructive. We should be finding ways to exit boom-bust mania and achieve long-term economic stability.

It is fascinating to see be be nice crew on social media.

Froughting at the mouth a few days ago about irish men wolfwhistling at women.

A few days later complaining that women are protesting about an attempted rape and other reported incidents.

I know which I would be more disgusted with.

But I'm not in the be nice group where wolfwhistling is horrific and attempted rape should be downplayed.

These are the same type of people who enabled rape gangs in England by trying to play down people's concerns.

Horrible horrible horrible people, obviously not talking about here as I wouldn't talk about other posters, referring to other social media sites.

In 2017, there were 92k people on housing lists, some a decade+, ~5000 people registered as homeless. Meantime, the State chose to import refugees and allocate them Council housing after seven months. Where is the equitableness there?

You don't get that option. You are tied to whichever Council's list location where you "have ties to" or "normally reside". You can't tick a box saying you are willing to be housed anywhere in the State.

And an awful lot turn down houses that are in another town or town land etc.

Anyway, before the massive influx of Ukranian refugees, all refugees were accommodated here as part of refugee programs. Fixed numbers of refugees, brought here to be rehomed. The state undertook to house them. I'm not sure what you're suggesting, should we not take part in those schemes

You forgot to highlight the part where it said he has a young daughter.

Presumably that's why he got the house? No mention of relatives in the country, so I guess that child would have been at greater risk of homelessness.

At a time of such terrible housing shortage, stemming from years of government failure, I'm ok with prioritizing houses for children most at risk of homelessness.

It sounds about right to me under the circumstances.

This is another thing that happens when decisions are more informed by good intentions than by reality.

Follow the Danish route

I would also be in favor in transferring asylum seekers to third countries

I doubt many have got brand new houses? Is there some evidence of widespread abuse of the system?

You mean indefinite detention? Including the detention of children?

That's the Danish route currently. Can't see it getting much support here.

Aside from the barbarity of it, what's the economic cost of keeping someone, (who might otherwise be building houses or working in a hospital) locked up long-term like that?

And there are not irish born folks in the same situation?

They do. Well some have. in the large i live in, some have got new builds. or houses that have been done up to a very nice standard.

You may be right that a single Ukrainian family got a house, but if that is the case surely you'd have to accept that's very far from typical? Can you be certain the house wasn't sold privately anyway? Or that it is still definitely in the ownership of the local authority rather than private ownership?

Petition in Switzerland to stop population rising above 10 Million by 2050

Perfectly sensible idea in my opinion.Overpopulation is not good for anyone, the only people it is good for are those who want a permanent underclass of citizens who are permanently available cheap labour to exploit.So it's quite odd that lefties seem to be massively in favour of excessive immigration and massive increases in population.Traditionally the left were opposed to exploiting cheap labour.

Also interesting to note that after the waves of immigrants to Ireland from eastern europe in the early to mid 00's nobody cared one bit about them, and why was that because services weren't being massively overstretched the economy was booming infrastructure was able to cope with everyone.There would be no anti-immigration sentiment if countries could cope effectively with additional numbers but most can't.Before you import people you should be making sure everything is pretty spot on for the existing population many of whom are immigrants and many of whom are immigrants who are opposed to excessive immigration.