Dun Laoghaire Traffic & Commuting Chat

Am I missing something, or does "cannot understate how catastrophic" equate to "half our visitors might have a drive a slightly longer route" in the HSE world?

Really disappointing to see car-brain thinking coming out of HSE, given the very obvious public health benefits that arise from active travel.

Its the HSE - you couldn't make it up!

Apart from being against the majority of measures in the proposals, I'll tell you why I'm against the Tivoli Road cul-de-sac the most.

By implementing it, the Council will have effectively closed and/or restricted the nearest main route to the coast in the old N31, the next nearest parallel one of the main street, and the next nearest one again of Tivoli Road.

That is a wholly unacceptable burden on the alternative routes in the area; York Road, Mounttown Upper and Lower, the three Glenageary Roads, Oliver Plunkett/The Farm, and Kill Avenue.

Its worth noting that the Council already have capacity limiting schemes approved for many of the streets I list above, the impact of which were not properly factored as data into to the Living Streets proposal either, in another bit of negligent project management by the Council.

Who could possibly argue that foisting all that additional congestion and pollution onto already busy routes, which are set to be further constricted anyway, could be fair or equitable in our community.

Not to mind the delays it will cause to Bus services, which are already set for insane curtailment under the plan. Routes which only recently were revised to better meet the needs of this whole area.

Its just insanity.

They probably can't. But that doesn't mean people are willingly going to transition in the short term.

As ever with the shoving of the social and economic cost of a legacy of failed planning onto ordinary people, in this City and in this Country, there is far too little carrot and far too much stick.

In any event, this particular living streets plan is doomed, and the Pathfinder programme is nearing its conclusion, so lets see what the post-elections period brings in terms of fresh thinking.

They are moving to the shopping centre. Very little left on Tivoli road.

just a bloke in the office doing EHIC applications and handling of medical aids

An apartment block on Tivoli Road you say?

Probably one of several, ultimately.

Hardly a case for implementating a road closure.

And I might add that he does the EHIC applications very well! Top class public servant.

How will he get to work???😁

The County Development Plan already addresses this by limiting car parking provision with new residential developments where close to major town centres and good transport links.

Unfortunately all 'living streets' will do is further congest the routes our shiny new bus services run on, and cancel out the improvements.

Agreed in relation to private traffic and road space:

"Build it and they will come, shut it down and they will go away"

Will they? And at what point will that be deemed a success or failure?

And how much community and commercial damage will be done in the meantime with these experiments?

In what way will living streets make DL more attractive to people?

Much less inviting to the older and less mobile. Far more congestion on the approaches and delays to bus services. A huge reduction in the passive security of passing vehicles and people.

Theres an agenda evident here thats treating DL as a big public park or some sort of museum.

Its a working town, with important local and regional facilities and it cannot be sacrificed to wishful thinking.

I could point you to dozens of examples of towns in Britain where similar plans were implemented, but because of wider planning shortcomings, the schemes ended up putting the final nail in the economic coffin of these places.

That's where DL is.

So old people can walk around golf course and not around corner to a bus stop.

would many golfers take public transport?

What are you on about?

The seafront at DL has never been busier with people and is FAR more pleasant without 2 lanes of diesel fume emiitting cars passing through.

good riddance to them.

I never said you were against metrolink i was drawing a comparison between you and those who are against it versus you being against any change in the DL area. Also the tree thing was very obviously a metaphor I made that quite clear because i knew you would miss it unless i stated it plainly and even still you managed to not understand it....

If they can’t drive on the standard road size, should they actually be driving? Are they really zig zagging all over the extra wide lane?

Is any of my post untrue?

And again how do you answer, at what age does one become an older person?

Well if the traffic flowed both ways it would be twice as congested...

So I take it you would prefer no cars at all through the viilage, to remove all congestion?

That would be great indeed.