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Gript-A source of misinformation. **Read OP before posting**

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,649 ✭✭✭Floppybits




  • Registered Users Posts: 15,589 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Gript is centre right and socially conservative.

    RTÉ, Irish Times & Independent are centre left and centre right economically speaking.

    All 3 are ultra liberal in terms of social issues.

    I am all for a wide variety of media outlets in Ireland, from the complete spectrum of political views - let them ask the hard questions and let the audience choose who they listen to/read/are guided by.

    Far healthier than the current wayyy too cosy consensus that exists between Montrose and Leinster House



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,649 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Which you would expect of a new media outlet, would you not? Now I will say they are setting their stall out on the opposite side to what media there is in this country and they also seem to be asking the hard questions of the ministers at press conferences which seems to get some peoples goat up that they would ask those questions of a minister, where as I would think all media should be asking these questions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,540 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Do we have any actual evidence on how Gript is funded? Is that all pure conjecture?



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,589 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Gript is centre right and socially conservative.

    It reflects the views of the majority of Irish citizens - particularly the over 50s

    RTÉ, Irish Times & Independent are centre left and centre right economically speaking. 

    All 3 are ultra liberal in terms of social issues. 

    I am all for a wide variety of media outlets in Ireland, from the complete spectrum of political views - let them ask the hard questions and let the audience choose who they listen to/read/are guided by. 

    Far healthier than the current wayyy too cosy consensus that exists between Montrose and Leinster House



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,965 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    The bunch of people in the little office may not be in the same league but surely we should know what league they are in.

    Who are they beholden to ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,540 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Most of those would have a soft left veneer in fairness. Newstalk is probably a bit more centre-right, but the rest would be centre-left and depending on the journalist in question, could be more hard-left to centrist.

    People go on about Gript as if it's hard right, like Breitbart, Info-Wars, or 4Chan of old.

    It's not, it is just a bit more right-wing, and given our media landscape is small, and quite samey in the centre-leftish point of view, it stands out more.

    Mainstream newspapers across the water would be more right-wing than the Gript!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    No, I wouldn't expect a new publication to be less ethical. In fact, that's a pretty easy way to fiscally destroy a new publication.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,649 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    " Gript also simply don't have a journalistic reputation atm, shock headlines that largely focus on immigrants appears to be about it."

    This is the line I should have quoted, Gript have gone against the narrative here in focusing on immigration and largely that is down to the government and other media outlets looking to shut down the discussion on it in the first place. Would Gript have any subscribers or exposure if this was not the case?



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,540 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Well given recent polls concerning Immigration and Asylum Seekers, perhaps it is you who is out of the loop.

    Media in this country generally fits into a center-left bucket. There isn't much diversity of opinion on hot controversial topics, and if there are some who straddle outside the safe zones, they are the next Hitler of Goebbels.

    Many media outlets ran away from topics like Immigration, until recently of course.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    They've been around for a few years now so I'd expect them to have produced semi decent journalism at this stage if that was their intent. Gript have subscribers cause a cohort of people like their anti immigrant obsession. Eg many of the gript fans in this thread seem more concerned with attacking the guy who is taking legal action against them over questioning how shoddy their handling of the story was.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,540 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Gript fail every test. They're a fascist blog run in service to fascist narratives.

    LOL.

    Come off it.

    One can make the reasonable point about Gript having a right-wing point of view (a view many in the public share) or an agenda, without having to go down the hysterical moral panic of calling it 'fascist'.

    Gript is registered with the Press Council. If you think it's an actual fascist blog, you best warn them and hand over some actual evidence, the same evidence you decry Gript of not having when it reports.



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,811 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Try reading the post before mashing reply ffs

    I said they have made mistakes and they have been held responsible for those mistakes.

    I also said I'm not aware of any instance where RTE, Irish Times, Independent, etc. made a mistake which resulted in credible death threats to a person - are you?

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,430 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Look at the op-ed pages of the Irish Times and you'll find as classic newspaper style of a 'diverse range of opinions' as you're likely to find. If you point to Una Mullally offering a progressive viewpoint, you can just as easily point to Breda O'Brien offering a religious conservative one in the same pages. Their overall editorial line may be socially liberal, but that's countered by their centre-right stances on economic issues - and, TBH, that sums up Fine Gael too, who'd uncontroversially be considered a centre-right party. I'd say the IT's political coverage is about as straight-down-the-middle centrist as you're likely to find.

    The Independent's main defining political ideology would be 'anti Sinn Féin', frankly. The likes of RTE and Virgin go out of their way to not promote a political viewpoint - I'd say their editorial stance is as likely to annoy the left as the right, just the latter have a particularly vocal grudge against RTE.

    Plenty of nuances to discuss, but it remains absurd to me to suggest the media landscape in Ireland is 'leftist'. I'm a leftist, and I certainly do not believe the mainstream newspapers or media represent my worldview. I can still read and engage with them with that in mind.

    We can go back and forth about how right-wing Gript is, but the reality is it was set up by a group of known ultra-religious conservatives, and is focused aggressively on anti-immigration, anti-abortion and pro-Catholic viewpoints. Their current top story "WHY ARE GLOBALISTS AND THE FAR LEFT BOTH SO KEEN ON MULTICULTURALISM?", which is indistinguishable from US 'MAGA' rhetoric. It's more than fair to call them right-wing or even far-right.

    Though we can agree the mainstream UK newspapers are in a whole different league altogether - nakedly partisan Tory propaganda almost across the board :)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,858 ✭✭✭growleaves


    The point is, they are independent of the main power brokers in society. Which allows them to give other perspectives.

    In some cases they may also be uninfluenced by big advertisers

    Unless they are actually intelligence ops for hostile foreign powers there's no scandal.

    Just strongly disliking some techpreneur or a Christian life group that funds Catholic/pro-life media is not damning evidence of anything.

    Claiming that all legitimacy flows from official institutions is a form of redundancy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,811 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The majority of Irish citizens are anti-LGBT rights and anti-abortion rights? Pull the other one. You might recall two referendums we had which the antis lost two to one

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,965 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Don't remember Harney or O'Malley spending their days banging on about immigrants and trans women.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,437 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Don't equate The Ditch with Gript!


    The former uses professional journalistic practices and investigation.

    As do The Village.

    Whatever we prefer to read depending on our politics, they at least have journalistic INTEGRITY.

    Gript are a mixed bag of bloggers, cranks and failed politicians who just want to get their narcissistic opinions out there with little regard for the truth or verifiable information.

    With no journalistic integrity.

    And that is why they are the subject of this thread

    And MSM have a mixed bag as well but have to balance their opinions with real information and verifiable sources x2 and x3 before they go to print / air.

    Totally different kettle of fish.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,601 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Whatever about the actual magazine and its writers, its readers are much further to the right. Check out any of Gript's tweets and read the replies underneath - they seem to have something akin to a BNP or National Front type following.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,601 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    McDowell was probably the most right wing cabinet minister of the last 30 years or so. Having said that, I think he would be moderate enough compared to the Gript guys - they would be much further to the right on most issues.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,965 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    The degree to which media in general is compromised by reliance on advertising or other factors is an interesting subject.

    This discussion is about Gript and it's been going on for over fifty pages.

    We still don't know much about it's funding and ultimate ownership.

    You were able to go online and get details about the IT and you could do the same for any of our newspapers.

    We can't do likewise with Gript so we don't know which techpreneur or group we are dealing with if any.

    For an outfit which lays claim to asking hard questions they leave quite a few unanswered themselves.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,437 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Nothing wrong with independent media per se. In a democracy it should be encouraged and supported I agree.

    However it is whether it is journalism or just spew of personal opinions if there is no balance in its reporting and no checking that the information within an article is true.

    This is the reason for this thread gl,. Gript have overstepped(understepped?) that nark on more than a few occadions now , being charitable.

    If you have to read an article in any publication while wondering.. is this balanced, who sponsored this, who will benefit from its publication and the biggest one, is this a verifiably true and accurate piece of journalism I woukd question the worth of reading it in the first place?

    Opinion pieces are classified as opinion pieces in most respectable media publications, in this country unlike those in other countries.

    It is a descent into allowing propaganda masquerade as real information if Grpt are allowed to get away with this.

    Also I think its vital to know exactly who is funding /paying for any publication. It is in the public intetest surely and may bear some weight as to what opinions are being expressed.

    Don't you agree that information should be in the public domain?



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,589 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Trans issues weren’t really a thing during Harney or O’Malley’s time in politics.

    It has become an issue in the last decade.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,589 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    anyone right of PBP/Socialist party gets tarred with “far right” these days. Tiresome stuff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,601 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Extreme right would be neo-Nazi skinhead types giving Hitler salutes etc. But Gript would certainly come under the heading of 'far right' in European terms : Le Pen, AfD, Orban, Meloni in Italy etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,419 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Gript is about as far right as it can get away with without being shut down by the incitement to hatred legislation that it also spends quite a lot of time campaigning against....



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    MSM have a mixed bag as well but have to balance their opinions with real information and verifiable sources x2 and x3 before they go to print

    Like when then Irish Times recently printed a ridiculous piece that turned out to be a hoax written by Ai?

    They're clearly not very discerning when they think they’ve a story that supports their preferred narratives



  • Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭NoMoreDonegalTuesdays


    The far right itself works on a spectrum. As well as the neo-Nazi skinheads who want to kill, who want to riot, they will always have people who pretend to be respectable. Gript pretends to be respectable. David Quinn pretends to be respectable. The fake "respectable" types are there to gaslight that the neo-Nazi types aren't really a threat. That you're just imagining things. And they tell you to look at me, David Quinn or John McGuirk, sure I wouldn't hurt a fly.

    The far right couldn't exist if it didn't have both the fake "respectable" types and the clear and present threat of violence. It's a symbiotic relationship. We have enough evidence from history to know that there will always be enough of a population who are predisposed towards supporting fascism to allow fascism to flourish if it is not kept down. Others can then be drawn in through propaganda.

    All parts of the far right spectrum will distort reality towards similar ends. Distortion of reality with the goal of whipping up intense anger and hatred against particular marginalised groups in society only leads to one thing ultimately: violence. We have countless warnings from history about that, including from our own island.



  • Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭NoMoreDonegalTuesdays


    Harney brought in the ban on smokey coal. Gript are climate change deniers. Well that's what they're in the business of - climate change denial - even if individuals there know they're arguing against science. Their paymasters demand it. But they're far too cowardly to admit that up front, so they use sneaky propaganda techniques to frame any policy move at all towards a greener future as an ATTACK by THEM on YOU.

    It's all about spreading doubt, as framing reality as an ATTACK on YOU by THEM. The exact same as how tobacco companies tried to spread doubt about the link between smoking and cancer.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 64 ✭✭JohnJoFitz


    I'd say you read more Gript articles than any of their subscribers, Loopy Snooker.



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