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Varadkar, Martin & Ryan walking off a stage together to avoid a journalist. Is this acceptable?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭TokTik


    How was he in grave danger when everyone in Ireland knew that the attacker was under armed guard in hospital?? It was reported every hour on the news.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,798 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    He didn't ask a question, he asked half a question into his microphone once the press conference was finished and then he yielded mid sentence to someone else in the room.

    It's all on the video he posted.

    This isn't very hard understand at all.



  • Posts: 0 Kolten Long Boot


    Oh come off it like honestly. So being wrongly accused or labelled as a dangerous criminal has no lasting repercussions even if found out to be lies later on?

    there’s a reason we have libel laws. It’s not a matter of mistaken identity it’s a matter of reporting a story you haven’t properly verified just to be first out the gate. It’s cowboy journalism.



  • Registered Users Posts: 900 ✭✭✭sameoldname


    You say that with the confidence of someone who knows what they're talking about. In your world I guess we should view countries at the bottom of the list as the ones to emulate because they're obviously the ones asking difficult questions. Why does up always have to be down on here?



  • Posts: 0 Kolten Long Boot


    Jaysus it’s mad that gript can falsely accuse someone of a horrendous crime and it’s no problem accidents happen etc

    but if IT, Indo, RTE etc did it? Pitchforks and torches at the ready.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Yes. A genuine measurement of the freedom of the press comes in the context of an adversarial press and not a subservient press. If the press is outwardly "independent" yet also largely compliant, why would there be any risk to them from the state?

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    You must admit to being x, yet if you don't you are y? What kind of childish game is this?

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,331 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    I'll take that as a "no" from you.

    Is anyone going to say they like Gript because it appeals to the lowest common denominator of fear and hatred, and that's right up their alley?

    Anyone?



  • Registered Users Posts: 900 ✭✭✭sameoldname


    You have no idea what a "genuine" measurement of press freedom is. Do you know how I know this? Because I literally posted a link to one and you don't believe it. Maybe you should listen to actual journalists rather than trying to ignore everything they say.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    His question was never asked in the first place. Which happens to 70% of journalists in any press conference ever. Most just don't throw a hissy fit about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,734 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You could have easily have ended up with an idiot who thought he was on the streets or released and the press weren't reporting on it. The Gardai deemed it as serious enough to put him under protection. On top of that, you open any family members up to being targeted.


    Anyway, I'd say it's pretty likely that the courts will find against gript. They behaved irresponsibly and put a random member of the public in danger.



  • Registered Users Posts: 535 ✭✭✭Scipri0


    This is what we should be getting from all the media in Ireland when it comes to asking government ministers questions. The fact they walked off despite a legitimate question being asked shows the contempt. Maybe they should have screened the question beforehand or give them a soft question. It actually says a lot about the rest of the media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,386 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    There was nothing wrong with the question it was perfectly reasonable.You may not agree with Gript as a news source but the question is absolutely fine.

    Varadkars response is proof of the contempt he hs for the average Irish person as the questioned posed was one a lot of people would like an answer to.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,845 ✭✭✭buried


    What's the highest common denominator? Having a picture of Varadkar up on your wall with a sacred heart red bulb underneath lighting up his portrait?

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,761 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    With Dev and Collins portraits on either side.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,845 ✭✭✭buried


    At least Dev and Collins would be faced and seated in their portraits. Varadkar's portrait would be him half walking out the frame to whatever bureaucratic gig he's off to next.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,351 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    How do you know what their ' resources" are?

    They haven' t made them public.

    If you do know maybe you could do the rest of us a service here and publish??



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    He didn't bloody hear it. How is this so hard to understand?

    A guy in a crowded room asked a question at normal speaking voice (speaking into his own mic or recording) when the press conference was already over and they were leaving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Exactly this. Gript are lying, spinning and proving The Village right each and every day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,734 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Also pretty sure you'd find at the end of every press conference, there are questions being asked that don't get answered. And that's applicable to any Democratic government.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    My mistake.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Never seen a press conference in their lives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    To paraphrase a sitcom "they don't like it put to 'em"

    It is getting quite enjoyable to see how uncomfortable our betters are beginning to feel.

    If you think it is uncomfortable now, just wait until election time.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,351 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    This.

    If.. they heard him or if.. he was allowed in to the press conference under the guise of being an actual journalist.. Then they should have replied, absolutely.

    That is what a press conference is for and they don't get to pick and choose who they reply to or who they ignore.

    But not sure if he fulfilled any of the above criteria ie. was he heard or is he eligible to be regarded as official press??

    Personally I would think that anybody allowed in has a right to ask questions of our democratically elected, and I am not a fan of either Gript or Ben Scallan at all.

    If this is how it did go down and taken with a very large dose of salt given Gripts antics generally, they should have answered the man.

    There is no actual proof either way folks, but it 'looks' bad.

    As evidenced by 8 pages on this bloody thread they are not only letting themselves down but handing Gript and its fans a stick to beat them with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,876 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    This is getting silly now.

    Gript resources and influence are TINY, MINISCULE compared to RTÉ for example.

    Still though, Gript really seems to drive the blue haired, gender fluid, skimmed soya latte brigade, absolutely seething with anger.

    How dare a conservative media outlet resist the Woke Consensus!!

    *stamps foot*



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,734 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I'd say it's pretty ridiculous that people got outraged over a press conference ending and a question not getting asked. Meanwhile the same people see no issue that Gardai had to put a man under protection cause the same outlet incorrectly made him identifiable for a horrible crime.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Much like that state, these types have gotten far too comfortable within a system where there's little ideological challenge, and with that comes power. And when people in power feel that they may be losing it, they naturally lash out. It doesn't make a blind bit of difference though as the threat will continue no matter how long and loud they scream.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,272 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    But they are talking to themselves and their own followers only. The fact that the Gript fella is claiming to the disciples that Martin and Varadkar walked out and refused to answer a question is a non story outside the right wing conspiracy theory bubble in which they operate on social media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,007 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Yes, it is amazing how a small entity like Gript has fired up certain people and commentators to disparage them with a vengeance.

    When I see that kind of vitriol against a news source I think Whoa, why are they so vocally against Free Speech, or is it that Free Speech must only come from certain quarters? Censorship by another name maybe.

    You and I don't have to like or admire Gript, but I for one stand firmly in the camp of No censorship, No muzzling, No derision. And the reality is, that Gript has had more publicity over this attempt to get the Triumvirate on the podium to answer a reasonable question, than any advertising could ever do.

    Let them be sued for the issue mentioned above, let them be mocked and derided, but let them have their say. I'd imagine that deep down a fairly substantial number of people in a certain demographic are only dying for someone to speak up for them. Hard Left ultra liberals they are not. But maybe just the ordinary Joes and Josephines happy to get both sides of the story instead of the group speak that's happening in our media at the moment.

    the Left is raging, that's a sign that Gript are doing something right (oops), for those with no voice now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,351 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Are you one of that ' brigade' you describe above because you appear to be getting a bit hot under the collar here ? 😂

    Shouting in capitals, name calling and refusing to answer any questions asked about your posts??

    I ask again, if you know about their funding, can you please enlighten us all, as it is not publicly available for some reason?

    Otherwise shouting about it being ' miniscule' is just a waste of time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,351 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I don' t think anybody is ' my better '.. But I suppose if you don't believe in equality you might!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,934 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    They seem to be getting the xenophobes more agitated than anything else. In this example, they were ignored completely.

    gript are not conservative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,351 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Thats a bit of a stretch..

    No. Disagree with it saying anything about the rest of the media.

    If anything it shows that many do not hold Scallan or Gript in any regard that noone else is championing this... Or that it may not have happened at all?

    If it did happen, the responsibility is solely on those facilitating and the three politicians, not anyone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,272 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    All of this would be fine it was a a genuine alternative news source trying to uncover the truth and expose corruption in government. But they are clearly a hard right / far right outfit pushing their own specific political agenda (that Scallan guy ran as a candidate for the Irish Freedom Party in 2020). They could be described more as political activists than journalists - similar to what you see on GB News.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,351 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




  • Registered Users Posts: 9,845 ✭✭✭buried


    lol Ben Scallion and gript becoming more famous and notorious than the red carpet cast from Dune part 2. And who is making it happen? Meo Varadkar

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    They could be described more as political activists than journalists - similar to what you see on GB News.

    As usual, zero self awareness. This could be applied to literally every journalist in the nation. At least Gript fans/followers will admit that they've an agenda, where as the other side will never be honest and admit that there's little impartiality from the old guard.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,007 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    So what? Freedom of Expression should not be confined to a particular political spectrum. Let them have their say and see how they get on. At the moment they are not given the opportunity to prove if, or how (as you say) far right they are.

    So what if some people are right wing in their views? Is that a crime now, as I wasn't aware of that. But then again everyone with a view that does not concur with the current cosy consensus in Dail Eireann is called FAR RIGHT anyway, so no wonder all those people might be ok with someone to speak up for them. They've been given the jackboot description with no right of reply up to now have they?

    Diversity is a buzzword nowadays. Let us see it in action so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,272 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    But what is the agenda of the mainstream media? They could hardly be accused of strongly favouring one party in the Dáil and doing their best to discredit all the others - the likes of SF, Labour, the Soc Dems, PBP and Aontú get a fair crack of the whip alongside the three government parties.

    Gript is interesting in that it hates all of the above (!)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭Madeoface


    Never heard of this outfit. So I just had a look.....checked out the world news on gript. Lol. Not a lot going on in the world according to this 'media'.

    Leave them at it I say. Gives PBP etc. something else to whine about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,233 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Gript appeals to the likes of Ben Scallan/Ben Gilroy et al and the fringe Irexit/Freedom Party, which is that miniscule it doesn't attract much more than miniscule attention.

    The Gript/Irexit folk see this miniscule attention as a hardline conspiracy to discredit the silent majority that they are definitely a part of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 180 ✭✭CrazyEric


    At 1 second in Leo varadkar is looking to someone at the side, before Scallan "Allegedly" spoke. At 3 seconds the other 2 stooges are looking to the bottom left of the screen at someone who is trying to engage Ryan but is definitely not Scallan. Varadkar and Martin leave the stage and Ryan listens to what the journalist (not Scallan) is saying, gives a wishy washy wave off of whatever was said and leaves. If the camera angle is from Scallan then nobody hears and notices him because at no point does anybody's eyes even flicker in that direction.

    Anybody being open minded can see that this is someone pretending they were ignored when obviously they muttered a question into their own microphone after the press conference had ended, absolute crayon eating type of journalism.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,845 ✭✭✭buried


    What are you on about? For the last 20 years they have shown countless times how they have favoured one political entity over the other. Look at what happened to Seán Gallagher by RTE during the 2011 Presidential election campaign. That was absolutely disgraceful, a disgrace a lot of you righteous people have completely forgotten about.

    RTE have also been in the habit of parroting out the line that SF take their orders from a foreign entity council based in Belfast. Might be true, might be bull$hit too, but you, me or anybody else has never heard RTE ask any person from the Green Party where their manifestoes originate from, which is the 'Alliance 90', a German green political party based in Berlin, the international HQ of all Green Parties worldwide.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,351 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I agree.

    Think if they are given the room to prove themselves, as is their right, they will... right, or wrong ,

    People will decide for themselves in the end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,798 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Activists? That is stretching it. In reality.

    It's a racist God bothering blog designed to fleece the terminally stupid.

    It was setup by a guy who is an unemployable preputial loser.

    Who has been reduced to this.




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    I would be horrified thinking about what the country would be like if we didn’t have the likes of Gript or people questioning government policy’s in the Dail and on Social Media.

    it’s all about balance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,272 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The Sean Gallagher thing was a fiasco alright, but it was more down to total incompetence on the part of RTE than an attempt to nobble his chances.

    I'm not buying for a moment that the MSM are in league with the Government. For starters, it's a three party coalition...which one of the three parties are they supposed to prefer? And will they be accused by Gript of being pro-government if SF and Mary Lou come to power? Given their attacks on SF recently, the answer to that one would appear to be 'yes'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,773 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Will Gript get any of the license fee that I don't pay?

    I can't get over how upset people are with the likes of Gript or Ditch. Ditch uncovered a bucket load of easy to find corruption and the Stockholm syndrome folks went bananas.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,351 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Not horrified.. But certainly balance is needed.

    Now whether balance is achieved with a publication funded by god knows who, which doesn't adhere to any of the usual journalistic checks or balances remains to be seen.

    Surely we need more than these guys who can be batted off so easily because they are not taken seriously because of their questionable style and substance?

    But it is best to hear differing voices in a democracy, you are right.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,845 ✭✭✭buried


    That was no 'fiasco', that was a de-facto total political assassination. The only incompetence is that the current regime is completely and utterly intertwined with the ongoing fraud show that is RTE, and has been for decades. The incompetence is ours for allowing it to go on, the culmination we have all witnessed the last 10 months. RTE are more than capable of being totally competent when hiding their own tracks or trying to pass the tracks onto somebody else.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



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