Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

Neither is your response. No amount of surgery will make a male a female, they might make a man a woman, but that is all.

So before you rant and rave that there is science to prove trans people exist or something stupid, I am explain that females are different to males, and no amount of surgery or preaching will change that.

My post was removed for mis-gendering. So, I've corrected it below.

That was a bit of unnecessary hyperbole from Gaines, but what the video showed is the ludicrous and positively dangerous mismatch between the players. She just threw her to the ground and clearly caused an injury. The video doesn't seem to show the other two incidents.

What struck me about the reaction from the school afterwards is how conflicted they are. It was like that women's football team in England. They are facing the consequences directly themselves, but are still so under the spell that they can't say out loud what needs to be done. Which is not their fault, it just points to the complete abdication of responsibility for safety and fairness towards girls from the authorities.

FFS.

Here is my EXACT post, not a word cut out or changed:

I've bolded the words "in the past" and the past tense used to refer to domestic violence.

The "seems" that you mention, if you pay a tiny bit of attention is actually a reference to sports violence NOW (ie, "it") which I compare to DV in the past:

Otherwise I would have said "they seem to be the only forms of violence etc".

Going by your inability to apologise for wrongly accusing me of spreading misinformation earlier, I don't expect you to admit you got it wrong here either, but I just want to make sure everyone else can read it and see who's telling the truth here.

Again.

I dont think anyone has suggested that transgender people should be prohibited from participating in sport - perhaps I am incorrect in that.

Agree that story today was awful - there are bad people everywhere. Again, I am not sure what it has to do with the topic at hand.

Unfortunately, with the best will in the world, it is not possible to protect everyone from "bad bastards" however the risks can be reduced to a certain point.

Your last paragraph, I agree, Gaines didn't make the best point there however to suggest that restricting biological males competing with biological females isn't going to "make a blind bit of difference either way" .....isn't going to prevent women from being injured and harmed by anyone who is a of a mind to do so - of course is generally correct. If someone wants to harm you physicilly intentionally, they'll do that. However thats not really the main topic here on this thread, is it?

What do I think of it? This is the first thing that comes to mind, particularly when I read your point that common sense is being disregarded by Trudeau’s government, Trudeau has presided over the culture that has led to it, and the behaviour of the parents in those circumstances:

More seriously though, just as I’ve never been in a dressing room in Canada, they’ve unlikely ever been to a swimming pool in Ireland where it’s nothing extraordinary to have men and children of all ages in dressing rooms with their parents or women and children of all ages in dressing rooms and nobody takes so much as a blind bit of notice of the person next to them, let alone building tents out of towels to shield their children from view, or to shield others from being viewed by their children.

It’s nothing to do with Trudeau in any case, Canadian Human Rights Law as I understand it, and I’m not even Canadian, doesn’t prohibit parents from building tents out of towels to shield their children from view, or shield others from being viewed by their children. I’ll admit I’m not immune to stereotypes either so such odd behaviour? I put it down to it’s just Canadians being Canadian. Meh, what ya gonna do? Not you specifically, but just generally speaking. I wouldn’t say there’s a whole pile Trudeau’s government can do anyway.

Can't there be a transgender category in competitions? And changing rooms set up for transgender people? Seems like a simple solution.

I didn't ask you to google unsportsmanlike behaviour. What I said was you could easily find links/videos on how to encourage aggressive (but legal) basketball. Eg

From the above:

"Aggression isn’t the same as bad sportsmanship. You can be aggressive without being cheap and dirty. Dirty play is where a player intentionally attempts to hurt or injure the other team. Dirty players lie, cut corners, and foul in ways that are abusive or intentionally cheap. Aggressive players earn respect. Cheap players earn disrespect."

Here's the video of the incident again (ignore the text). The biological male [I have to be careful here] had the ball and the female tried to steal it. But, the male just ripped the ball away causing the female to fall over and hurt her back. If that was two males or two females competing for the ball I don't think it would have been a foul, because they wouldn't have been so mismatched. The male player even offered a hand to help the female get up again before the injury became apparent.

The vast majority, you would hope, wouldnt - I suppose the question is, what are the majority of women more comfortable with - do you need to ask them?

What, you mean like pretend sports organisations are a democracy and their opinions actually matter? I can’t see that happening, can you? 😂 What happens every year from then on when new players are coming into the sport? Take a poll each time and ask is everyone ok with them being admitted into the organisation, and if the women from Del Monté say no, well tough titty player from Fiji, you don’t get to playing with us… sounds completely impractical. I’d ask what you think yourself, but our opinions don’t matter to the heads of sports organisations either 😬

The bigger topic on thread is the fairness of letting biological men compete with biological women in events such as the 100 yd and 400 yd track events and the implications of allowing this to happen at all levels. Again, I think there's only downsides here for biological women. This surely should be pretty obvious. But you have many who don't seem to want to admit that, for whatever reason.

You don’t have anyone who doesn’t want to admit what you want them to admit. You have people who disagree with you, who don’t share your opinion, who aren’t willing to tell you what you want to hear. I’ve already provided evidence of women and women’s organisations in sports who don’t share your belief that there is only downsides for women. On the contrary - what you suggest is a minor issue is actually a major issue in women’s sports, and your deliberations over whether or not to permit people who are transgender to play in women’s sports is such a minor issue that it’s pretty much an irrelevant consideration when put in it’s appropriate context with regards to the issues In women’s sports.

It’s understandable why in those circumstances the heads of these organisations would want to blow this issue completely out of proportion - it takes the heat off their total and utter failure on other more important matters. Offering a vote to their members on the issue would not give them the results they want, be too risky to even attempt it as it carries the possibility of them being foisted from their positions in the organisation where they maintain and manage and control every aspect of any competition organised by themselves.

... but then thats not fair on the women who would eventually cease to win any events if the field had just a few trans swimmers.

Because of bullshit identity politics.

I am asking the simple question - do you think females sports people are comfortable sharing changing rooms/toilets and the track/pool/pitch with biological males? Its a faily simple question.

I'd like a bit of common sense to break out here. A simple answer:

Do you think it is appropriate for biological men to compete with biological women in the 100 and 400 yd races where medals, prizes are at stake?

Simple question.

It's not about making me feel better or indeed my "beliefs" - its about yours.

It's a straightforward question. Whats your answer?

Again, its not about my feelings.

If you don't give a shyte about the topic at hand I have no idea why you are posting in it.

The fact that people cannot give a straight answer to a simple question says it all really.

I am asking the question as the topic of this thread is this question surely?

If I didn't care for your answer I wouldn't have asked you directly.

Do you approach other facets of life by avoiding answering questions?

Let's try another question..do you think ten year old boys should compete against 25 year old men in any sport that involves physical strength, endurance,muscle power or full contact as a general rule?

You lads pick the weirdest hills to die on. Are you saying that the COURT of Arbitration for Sport is not a Court? Do you understand the difference between a sports governing body and a court of arbitration for that sport (and others)?

Those are genuine questions.