Cold Case Review of Sophie Tuscan du Plantier murder to proceed. **Threadbans in OP**

I didnt say it wasnt - my point about 900 metres was that there were few other locations in that radius it could have come from so 900 metres is "nearer" than you think to Sophies.

But doubtful the wine bottle can tell us more ... it was one of the items that couldnt be tracked down during GSOC audit.

2 things

Stop the lights:

It was winter so even if the crime happened in the morning the lights would have a good chance of being on. Usually in winter you turn lights on to see things indoors and off to see things outdoors especially if the light was maybe starting to come up or if there was a car with lights on in the distance. Especially so for someone who didnt use curtains.

laces:

How tight were her laces tied? If loose a boot may come off in the struggle. I would ask this since if tied tight she did so with purpose and not in a rush like someone trying to put the bins out when hearing the bin lorry. This to me would indicate a person up and about and probably having breakfast and seeing something outside rather than some implusive caller to the door

The boots were lace-up, but looking at the photos it appears she didn’t untie the laces when she took them off. So she just stuck her feet into the boots with no socks.

At the end of the day the DPP was probably right not to go ahead, going by what was presented to them at the time. The only person who by their own device can be placed anywhere near the crime scene around the generally accepted time is Marie F if at all. ( and of course the Lyon’s but they lived there so not the same thing) Talk of ghosts and premonitions is generally bullshit whatever way you look at it and will not stand up in court. The ravings of crackpots won’t stand up in court either. So according to recent reports the Gardai are still pointing toward Ian Bailey as the murderer, so there must be something they have that’s not been made public or else they’re trying to throw everyone off the scent by making it look that way while investigating someone else. However I think it’s wrong to write off the Gardai totally, as even back then there were good investigators and amid all the bungling some good investigation would also have been done. The problem was there simply wasn’t much to go on. A lot of murders don’t even have a motive so difficult to establish even that. Rural guards are and were far from stupid and have a fair to good idea of who’s who and the general pulse of things in their area. They had to be careful too as many of them lived in the areas they were assigned to and had kids in local schools and all that, so they couldn’t always take the risks they would have liked.

I don't for a minute think Bailey had anything to do with the discarded wine bottle.

I was responding to Fr Tod, who believes Bailey killed her;

Assuming it was Bailey and he went straight back to the studio (not via the bridge)

That's hardly likely now

A French tourist on that road throws a bottle of wine away

The bottle was found 3 months after the murder 900m away.

900m is not close enough to be definitely associated with the murder but not far away enough either to totally rule it out.

The same with 3 months, it was found long enough past the time of the murder to be irrelevant, as in anyone could have put it there, but still not before the prime holiday season when you would have a lot more potential owners of the bottle in the area.

Agree with a lot of that

Experienced gardai saw the real Ian Bailey in interview.

We didn't. All we have is a lot of noise from Ian Bailey and his Solicitor .

They're 2 totally different realities

Doesn't prove anything of course

But you have to admit there are coincidences that cannot or should not have been overlooked. Sophie had a habit of travelling through charles de gaulle for example.

And why would some other random person dump an expensive bottle of wine there? That would make no sense.

To me its strongly connected to this case.

As usual you're not arguing very well

Marie Farrell was a fitup to try secure a prosecution . I've no issue there.

It's not related to my point about what gardai saw in interview

Their reality of Ian Bailey under pressure in interview and probably lying is totally different to ours

We have a confused picture based on what Ian Bailey and his solicitor are saying and other information

I'm also in the Bailey most likely did it camp.

He referenced a missing champagne bottle clue before the wine bottle was found. This was an extraordinary insight from Bailey, and its possible given the circumstances and his rush he confused a wine bottle for a champagne bottle. To me he dumped the bottle.

His insights into this murder were more than just coincidence. His feeling the night before fell into the same category.

Also he appeared to have other knowledge that no one else could have and his alleged garda source story is BS imo.

One other thing, some posters here are reeling at the sheer impossibility of walking a few miles in the early hours of the morning after a few drinks. It is perfectly doable, in 1996 many households still had one car, if that wasn’t available you were stuck with walking or cycling, so people were used to walking as a part of getting things done not like today where everyone is driven places and only walk for exercise or pleasure. A person of IB’s height and fitness could cover that distance in probably half an hour. Unless the man was drunk to the point where he couldn’t stand up there is no reason why he couldn’t make it. There are reasons why he was a likely suspect.

But they would hardly have walked southwards to Kealfadda Bridge instead of north-east to their own home.

"Got rid of the clothes" ? How? Evidence? The guards tried long and hard for this, and failed. That bonfire didn't show any proof.

And so on.