Public Pay Talks - see mod warning post 4293

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. And thats why this deal will sail through.

I don’t believe we will get a better deal if this is voted down. I voted yes.

Have we ever closed down the country over a pay agreement in the history of the state?

I understand your point. But I've had 16 years of this and I've had enough. I'm still doing unpaid austerity hours and still paying the austerity bank bail out pension levy. Enough is enough. We have thousands of our own citizens leaving this country to work elsewhere in hospitals, schools and other public sector jobs and we have people at the top in the public service (politicians/senior civil servants) who couldn't give a f**k to such an extent that they can now boast of giving public servants less in 2024 than those on the dole.

If nothing else every No vote sends a message to the union leaderships about how well we think they're doing...

Usual ignorant comment that is both untrue and pointless.

Voted no because of the misrepresenting of the 9.25 as 10.25

It's money you might get. Or might not. No one really knows yet so it's extremely disingenuous of unions to present it as a fait accompli. As above, this is a 9.25% deal, not 10.25%.

My understanding is that a 'pot' of money equivalent to 1% of the public pay bill will be available for payment through this provision in September 2025. Given that it's specifically *not* a general increase my worry would be that certain favoured / loud groups will hoover up the money with increases greater than 1% while others get nothing, e.g. I imagine a, say, 2% increase for nurses and Gardai is a hell of a lot more politically palatable than a 1% increase for both them and higher grade civil servants. Maybe this isn't possible under the agreement but I didn't see anything to that effect.

There was a similar sectoral bargaining % in a previous deal; it went as 1% on pay to nearly if not everyone.

There are certain grades that are wildly underpaid compared to others but unlikely to get the support within their unions to have increased at everyone elses expense.

Thanks. When you can, would you mind linking/highlighting the relevant text in the agreement? Cheers.

I was offered overtime once in my over 30 years service, and that was for one day, a Saturday, to finalise briefing material for the Sec Gen's appearance before the Public Accounts Committee. That was after a week of working until midnight every night for which time-in-lieu was offered.

In my experience, overtime in the CS is not common, and has to be approved in advance though it may be different in departments other than the ones I've worked in.