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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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    #31142
    Musicrules
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802389#Comment_121802389

    You wouldn't be looking down on my viewpoint now would you?



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    #31143
    Clegg
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    Team is as per Thornley's prediction.

    Frawley starts at 15 and there's a 6-2 bench split with Murray and McCloskey covering the backs.

    https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1760665747205042440?t=XG1ZrhWLHiew8Uaro2ziEw&s=09




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    #31144
    aloooof
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802813#Comment_121802813

    Mod: No more unsubstantiated claims of drug use. That goes for everyone.



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    #31145
    ulsteru20s
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802965#Comment_121802965

    Jager over bealham is interesting. Presume he has a knock.



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    #31146
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802965#Comment_121802965

    Is Bealham injured?



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    #31147
    aloooof
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    It is interesting that it seems like a completely seed-change in mentality with regards the 6/2 split. Personally would prefer someone with a bit more versatility in the 23 shirt if we go down that road.



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    #31148
    blackdog1
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    Henshaw must be covering fullback. Problem with Mcloskey on the bench is he can only cover 12. I was hoping Ringrose was fit because he can cover wing as well and one of the wingers could cover fullback.



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    #31149
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802996#Comment_121802996

    Hopefully not. Bealham has excellent but I can understand Farrell wanting to take a proper look at Jager in a test match. I don't think we've really had a proper look at him in the Northern hemisphere yet.



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    #31150
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121803019#Comment_121803019

    Agreed - Frawley is that player right now but he's starting so things are a bit thin in certain areas.

    Longer term when Hansen and JOB are back available 6-2 becomes much more manageable as that gives several "multi-role" players as options..



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    #31151
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121803124#Comment_121803124

    Reading elsewhere that Bealhams partner had a baby in the last few weeks , so he's probably getting some deserved time at home as well as getting a chance to look at Jager.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike at


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    #31152
    phog
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    Jager's move back to Ireland has paid off already, in line for his first cap on Saturday.


    I don't like this 6-2 split, less so when you're utility back is starting but when you do use it Murray is the obvious choice for the reserve scrum half.



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    #31153
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121803019#Comment_121803019

    I think Farrell's choice will have been biased by the players he wants to get on the pitch. Ryan, Baird, and Conan all deserve minutes based on their performances. McCloskey too. Our 6N squad isn't exactly deep with fully fit utility backs.



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    #31154
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121803165#Comment_121803165
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121803170#Comment_121803170

    I think 6-2 only works when one of the players on the bench is a "multi-purpose" back - Like Frawley or JOB for example (or Wille Le Roux for SA) , players who can reasonably cover at least 3 positions in the backline.

    A bench with 2 specialist backs is risky and requires multiple positional changes for anything other than their specific positions.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike at


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    #31155
    Podge_irl
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    Can't say I'm massively enthused by the bench. Don't like a 6-2 at the best of times, but we are in line for some serious reshuffling in the backline in case of any injuries.



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    #31156
    The Macho Man
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    I'm quite nervous about the lack of cover in the backs but in fairness Farrells selections up to now have proved to be correct so will have to trust him on this one. Wales love an unstructured game , I think they are excellent on the counter so thought that would have come into Farrells thinking.



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    #31157
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121803202#Comment_121803202

    Oh, I completely agree. I don't think Farrell would make a selection like this against a stronger team. If Crowley takes a knock early on we've all kinds of readjustments to make.



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    #31158
    irelandrover
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    Who will cover full back if frawley gets injured. I assume Nash with jgp to the wing?



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    #31159
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121803251#Comment_121803251

    Worst case Crowley takes a knock. Then you have two probable options:

    Frawley to 10, Nash to 15, JGP to wing, Murray in at 9.

    Frawley to 10, Henshaw to 15, Bundee to 13, McCloskey in at 12.



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    #31160
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121803251#Comment_121803251

    That would appear to be about the only option in that scenario - Similar if Crowley gets injured.

    Frawley to 10 , Nash to 15 , JGP to wing and Murray on.

    Just way too messy IMO.



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    #31161
    sydthebeat
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    looks like a selection with no regard to the opposition, as in, this is how we're going to approach the game, first half / second half. How we want to start and how we want to end. Might also deliberately be creating some chaos or "adversity" for tougher challenges.

    could we see JGP end up on the wing if we get a back 3 injury?



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    #31162
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    Farrell did seem to enjoy watching the team deal with a triple-prop front row and an openside flanker throwing darts last year. Maybe he does want a bit more chaos for the lads to deal with.



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    #31163
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121803307#Comment_121803307

    Any injury to any back other than one of the centres results in JGP going to the wing I think.

    Frawley Injured - Nash to 15 , JGP to wing , Murray on

    Lowe/Nash injured - JGP to wing , Murray on

    Aki/Henshaw injured - McCloskey on

    Crowley Injured - Frawley to 10 , Nash to 15 JGP to Wing , Murray on

    5-3 with Larmour on bench is a much more flexible set-up.

    No matter how much one of Baird/Ryan/Conan deserve game time and they do , but horses for courses.



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    #31164
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121803366#Comment_121803366

    If McCloskey comes on he really needs to play 12. Switching Bundee to 13 mightn't be ideal but at least he played almost 50 pro games there when he was younger.

    Jordan Larmour in particular should be disappointed by this call. Picking him at 23 would eased most of the problems.



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    #31165
    Tigerandahalf
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    I'd worry about Frawley at FB. He has very little game time there and from what I've seen is vulnerable under the high ball.

    We know what the welsh gameplan will be now. He has never looked like nailing down a position at Leinster. Would have preferred Daly, think he is a safer option. Hopefully he goes well as options were limited with JOB and Hansen out. The young fella up at Ulster looked decent when he played there, forget his name. He also plays in the centres.



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    #31166
    TRC10
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    Doesn't say much about our depth at tighthead if Jager, who was never within an ass's roar of the the NZ team, can rock up here an walk into the Ireland team within a few weeks.



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    #31167
    Quin_Dub
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121803488#Comment_121803488

    Except for you know , that time he was picked for the NZ Squad.

    Also , he's been picked on the bench in a low risk game against a crap welsh team when the other guys are unavailable so it's hardly "walking into the team".

    Have you ever posted something positive about Irish rugby?



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    #31168
    sydthebeat
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121803488#Comment_121803488

    well, he WAS within an asses roar of NZ when he was selected to play for an All Blacks XV against in Ireland in 2022. Injury ruled him out, and who knows where he'd be now if he had have played in that game.


    anyway, im not too worried about trying out a guy who is vying for 3rd choice tight head. Hes up against Tom O Toole, not an insurmountable challenge.

    anyway ireland depth at TH isnt great. Most sensible people can see that. its absolutely positive that we are trying another player there.

    Jager will only be the second TH to make their test debut since John Ryan in 2016.



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    #31169
    Paul Smeenus
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    We're giving our 4th choice TH his first cap against a poor Wales team. Not unduly worried.



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    #31170
    ulsteru20s
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    Jaeger has looked pretty good since he came over in all honesty. I didn't expect him to actually be that big.



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    #31171
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    Jager is well worth a closer inspection. He's a huge man which always gives you a fighting chance at prop and he looked decent in the couple of games I've seen him play for Munster. He's also 29 in the Summer so it's not like we want to wait around to cap him in an Autumn tour game.



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