Public Pay Scale Query

Confirmation, again, that you have SFA notion of what an AO does. Keep displaying your ignorance while belittling a job that you clearly haven't a clue what you're talking about.

Having to resort to deliberately cherry-picking misleading information to further your point only demonstrates that your point is a load of bollocks to begin with.

First of all, this is incorrect. When broken down by age, no demographic of people in the state have more than 50% at third level degree or higher. 25-29 year olds are highest with 47%, so this statement is rubbish. In 2016, 42% of people had a third level degree, the highest percentage ever, but this includes ALL third level qualifications, not just honours degrees at level 8, which is what we were discussing.

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So there is something special about that, when 100% of AOs have at least a level 8. It also blows holes in your argument where you're comparing these highly qualified people with the median wages of the country at large. You're moaning that these people are paid more, remember? Of course they're paid more, they're better qualified. You might as well give out about pharmacists earning more than binmen.

Compare level 8s in the private and public sector, see how it stacks up? Are they being paid more or less? Oh, right, you don't give a flying fcuk because it doesn't suit your narrative.

For anyone else keeping score: I have now asked you a number of questions about your aim/goal of this tirade against the public sector. Someone called you a troll, but I wasn't willing to accept that on face value. The fact that you have repeatedly refused to answer these questions is leading me to believe otherwise.

A brief opinion submitted as fact, replete with wild and sensationalist claims, backed up with absolutely nothing, and finished off with another insult. No effort to answer the questions again. Not even an acknowledgement that the questions exist, never mind an attempt to answer them. An outright refusal to engage on the many points being discussed. I suspect the person who called you a troll was spot on. Maybe you should leave the grown up discussions to the grown-ups?

It's the government who sanctions these salaries.

The question was whether or not they are awarded automatically.

You said they are.

What you meant was "they are in my university", but that's not what you said.

You've no idea whether they're given automatically in the OPs new job or not, but you told him they were.

This is incorrect, and I pulled you on it. You've admitted as much yourself in this thread, it's different from one to the next, so I've no idea now why you're getting the hump when you were wrong and I was correct all along.

So they're not automatically awarded, like you originally said.

Thanks for backing me up.

Because that's the entire basis of a discussion. Refusing to discuss things is the complete antithesis of a discussion, you can see this, yes?

You have one opinion, I have a different, opposing one. I disagree with your opinion, so I'm asking you to explain why you think like that and what your goal of raising these issues is. If you're unwilling to defend that opinion, then I reserve the right to dismiss your opinion as complete bullshit, simple as.

Others who are looking on and reading this are the same. You were called a troll earlier, they're saying the reason you're saying these things is to wind people up. That you don't really believe these things you're saying. Just looking for a reaction. I'm giving you the opportunity to prove to me, and everyone else, that this isn't true. Your opinion, if based on sound logic and reasoning, might be valid. You might win me or others over and get them to change their own opinions. Again, this is the cornerstone of a discussion. If it's based on a load of lies and bullsh1t, then you're confirming the troll accusation as being true.

If you're gonna stick two fingers up and say "why do I think this way?....fcuk you, that's why", you're not gonna win anyone over and you just sound like a crank. If you're not gonna defend your points, then your points are worthless in the context of a discussion.

If you're gonna make up lies ("more than half of adults hold a level 8"), then refuse to engage with anyone when those lies are called out, then your entire premise is worthless and can be dismissed as a load of shite, frankly.

If you're gonna act disingenuously (by using the top of the salary range instead of the entry point) when making your points, then your points ain't worth a damn.

By all means, keep doing what you're doing. It's a free country. That also means I'm free to call you out as a bullsh!t artist, though. I wouldn't do that if you weren't dodging anything that you couldn't handle.