Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

Fair enough on the "you lads" point. I do try to treat everyone as an individual with their own opinions, and that was a failure on that front. It was not bigotry, but it was a generalised grouping. So sorry about that. I should have said "You can pick the weirdest hills to die on sometimes".

It is not a court of criminal law. It is not a court of civil law. It is a court of Sports law. The basics are outlined here : https://www.tas-cas.org/en/general-information/frequently-asked-questions.html

Your question did not reference the type of law in question. It did not say civil, criminal or sports. It was simply about whether CAS is a court of law or not. You specifically said:

Sports law is law specific to sports. They are laws for sports. Lots of clues in the terminology there for slow learners.

Nobody is trying to universally ban trans athletes from competition so no authority needs to make any ruling on that. If you have any evidence of any sporting body that is trying to do any more than restricting participation in the female sex category to female sex athletes, but allowing male sex athletes to compete in the male sex category then feel free to provide it. If you do I will happily accept that you're right and I'm wrong. Because I am not aware of any sporting body that is preventing male sex athletes from participating in the male sex category, irrespective of their gender identity.

I think you have a very poor and limited understanding of the nature of sports governance. No sports governing body is forced to acquiesce to a higher sports authority. Mostly they strive to, to gain the benefits of doing so (such as participating in international competitions).

As an illustration of a similar arrangement with a far bigger impact, no country is forced to join the EU. They choose to do so to gain the benefits but undertake the follow the rules of the organisation as a condition of membership. That doesn't mean the CJEU is not a court, even if its authority only extends to countries who agree to accept its authority. In reality, it's an extremely powerful court. It's the same with sports governing bodies. They can exist in splendid isolation if they want to. But if they don't then they have to play by the rules of any organisation they join.

I'll take it as read that you now accept that CAS is a court, since you have not been able to engage with the main points I made.

Putting an arbitrary sentence in quotes is not illustrating anything. Who or what are you quoting there? Have you got a reference?

Beyond that, whoever said "men who identify as a women cannot swim against women & girls" does not ban transwomen from competing in the male sex category. Nobody is trying to universally ban trans athletes from competition so no authority needs to make any ruling on that. If you have any evidence of any sporting body that is trying to do any more than restricting participation in the female sex category to female sex athletes, but allowing male sex athletes to compete in the male sex category then feel free to provide it. If you do I will happily accept that you're right and I'm wrong. Because I am not aware of any sporting body that is preventing male sex athletes from participating in the male sex category, irrespective of their gender identity.

Do you realise that Lia Thomas is choosing herself to bring her case to the CAS? She is recognising the authority of CAS to hear her case? Are you disputing her decision?

Is there anyone actually seeking to ban trans athletes from competitions?

According to quoted (now deleted) comment memorialized in #5812, yes.

So you're not able to produce any evidence that anybody whatsoever is trying to universally ban trans athletes from competition If you have any evidence of any sporting body that is trying to do any more than restricting participation in the female sex category to female sex athletes, but allowing male sex athletes to compete in the male sex category then feel free to provide it. If you do I will happily accept that you're right and I'm wrong. Because I am not aware of any sporting body that is preventing male sex athletes from participating in the male sex category, irrespective of their gender identity.

saying that something was once said on the internet and is now deleted is beyond weak.

You have edited this post since I first replied to it. I ask yet again do you realise that Lia Thomas is choosing herself to bring her case to the CAS? She is recognising the authority of CAS to hear her case? Are you disputing her decision?

So to be clear, all you have for evidence is a deleted quote from a banned user. That's it. Do you accept that everything that that user said is authoritative? Because I don't. But if you do you're going to have to accept everything they have said on this thread as authoritative. And I really don't think you want to do that.

Otherwise please provide actual evidence that any sports governing body is trying to ban male sex athletes from participating in the male sex category (of any gender identity at all).

You are creating an implication from something I wrote and assuming it applies to you. I have no control over that.

So I ask yet again do you realise that Lia Thomas is choosing herself to bring her case to the CAS? She is recognising the authority of CAS to hear her case? Are you disputing her decision?

Just to correct some misinformation that was posted earlier in this thread.

OK Police are also extremely conservative and aren't saying what they died of. Seems like a specious attempt to pre-empt the purpose of autopsy and muddy the waters (IMHO). This report really doesn't change the situation. The family also indicates they will be seeking their own independent investigation, perhaps even an independent autopsy. "officers suspect foul play involved and need to initiate an in-depth investigation into the death." The Feds are also involved, so local and state police will not be the last arbiters of this incident.

It's massively off topic. And to be clear, I again condemn all bullying of anyone, including bullying because of someone's gender idenity.

It can make rulings that end up being incompatible with national laws of specific countries, but that's not their problem as they would see it. It's only a problem for the country concerned.

There’s a tad more nuance to that though plodder in that CAS, while they are resistant to the idea of acknowledging the ECHR and human rights standards, they know at the same time that they’re kinda between a rock and a hard place if they’re ever to be regarded as anything more than just a Mickey Mouse Court -

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40318-022-00221-6#Fn76

Title of the article reminded me of a teams chat I had with one of my work colleagues this morning, round the same time as our earlier exchange. It’s a good thing I have an office to myself as I thought I was going to die laughing -

I figured he wasn’t suggesting I was sfairesphobic 😂

My son still hasn’t forgiven me for this -

Refuses to play scrabble with me again until I apologise for it. He’ll be waiting, I was quite proud of myself for that one 😂

You might be, inadvertently, referring to another thread, which moved with high velocity and since has been closed. Sorry I didn't see your demand in time: sorry I accused you of misinformation. The trans panic threads tend to blur together so I don't hold the conflation against you.

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